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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2011, 8:35 am 
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Lol Bonsai, I get the impression that you would willing to get perm banned unfairly if it meant the mass banning of a lot of botters. Which isn't really worth it for a day of bot free RuneScape until they all remake their accounts.

I was smithing in Varrock like a month ago and I was so paranoid that everyone else smithing with me could have been botting and that maybe I'd look like a botter too so I was trying to do stuff to distinguish myself from them lmao. Then it was so annoying when ANTI-BOT WARRIORS would come in and try to report everyone there and then so disappointed when all of them are like "... ? what do you want?".

On honour, not like much is to be expected since you still get reported for smallest things taken out of context in friends chat.

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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2011, 10:18 am 
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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2011, 10:47 am 
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the new refer a friend programme just hit an all time low...

I just died laughing.
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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2011, 12:13 pm 
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To me, regardless of who it is, breaking the rules is breaking the rules all the same. The act itself is wrong and no person is higher than the law, not even the people who make the law.

Just because someone is your friend and you witness them murder someone, is that any different from someone you don't know murdering someone? Ok, maybe a less serious offense since that's just absurd.

Just because someone is your friend and you witness them murder someone stealing, is that any different from someone you don't know murdering someone stealing? Still not an applicable example?

Just because someone is your friend and you witness them murder someone stealing smoking a cigarette less than 25 feet from a public entrance, is that any different from someone you don't know murder someone stealing smoking a cigarette less than 25 feet from a public entrance?

What am I getting at? The rules are the rules and the laws are the laws. No person is above them or deserving enough to avoid them regardless of who they know or who they are. There also should be no differentiation in the severity of the crime or why it was done. The problem is you witnessing the crime puts you in a position where you have to make a choice: let your friend off the hook cause you're they're friend or report them just like any other person.

The thing here is that the problem doesn't start with you, but with your friend committing your act. If you were breaking the rules, would you want to have a friend with you or tell them about it? By committing the act with your friend looking on, you are unfairly causing your friend to take on the burden of a decision between choosing what is right or their friendship.

To put someone in this situation is unfair and then to attack them for picking to do the right thing is even worse. If you are possibly or truly going to break the rules, don't bring your friends into it. Also, if your friends do get involved or see it happen, don't expect them to not report you just because of your friendship. Rules are still rules.

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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2011, 1:40 pm 
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Duke Juker wrote:
Just because someone is your friend and you witness them murder someone stealing smoking a cigarette less than 25 feet from a public entrance, is that any different from someone you don't know murder someone stealing smoking a cigarette less than 25 feet from a public entrance?

What am I getting at? The rules are the rules and the laws are the laws. No person is above them or deserving enough to avoid them regardless of who they know or who they are. There also should be no differentiation in the severity of the crime or why it was done. The problem is you witnessing the crime puts you in a position where you have to make a choice: let your friend off the hook cause you're they're friend or report them just like any other person.

Wait, you would report someone for smoking within 25 feet from a public entrance?... lol.

Anyways, this isn't that he called up the police on him for stealing, let's say. It's that he called the police because he thought his friend might be stealing something because he wasn't answering his phone, and then going on Facebook posting to gloat about how he got him arrested, still not knowing whether or not it was adequately proved.


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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2011, 4:19 pm 
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Just because someone is your friend and you witness them murder someone stealing smoking a cigarette less than 25 feet from a public entrance, is that any different from someone you don't know murder someone stealing smoking a cigarette less than 25 feet from a public entrance?

What am I getting at? The rules are the rules and the laws are the laws. No person is above them or deserving enough to avoid them regardless of who they know or who they are. There also should be no differentiation in the severity of the crime or why it was done. The problem is you witnessing the crime puts you in a position where you have to make a choice: let your friend off the hook cause you're they're friend or report them just like any other person.

Wait, you would report someone for smoking within 25 feet from a public entrance?... lol.

Anyways, this isn't that he called up the police on him for stealing, let's say. It's that he called the police because he thought his friend might be stealing something because he wasn't answering his phone, and then going on Facebook posting to gloat about how he got him arrested, still not knowing whether or not it was adequately proved.

Na, I wouldn't report them for that. I'd probably make them aware of it. They'd move and everyone would be happy.

Gloating is over the top. I never said gloating was alright. It's unnecessary and pointless. Someone who is truly concerned about cheating would just send a report and say nothing afterwards. Actions speak louder than words. But as for suspicions, how would a bot (or a real life criminal either) be caught without someone being suspicious? As Anubis said...
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How could anyone possibly know if someone else is botting? Even if it is obvious, you have no physical proof, just your suspicions, which is why Jagex is supposed to investigate in order to make sure that the claim is legitimate. The part I'd like to defend is that if you are breaking the rules or possibly breaking the rules, you run the risk of being reported/caught. Even in a small community like this, people are still people. It's better to act/play in such a way as people wouldn't even consider that you were cheating. That's the only way you can guarantee on your own end that you won't get unfairly reported.

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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2011, 10:12 pm 
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[quote="Duke Juker"]To me, regardless of who it is, breaking the rules is breaking the rules all the same. The act itself is wrong and no person is higher than the law, not even the people who make the law.

Just because someone is your friend and you witness them murder someone, is that any different from someone you don't know murdering someone? Ok, maybe a less serious offense since that's just absurd.

Just because someone is your friend and you witness them murder someone stealing, is that any different from someone you don't know murdering someone stealing? Still not an applicable example?


How'd we get on the topic of murdering someone ..........lol


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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2011, 10:14 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
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I don't see why Jagex can't just give us the right click report abuse option like Pmods have...

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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2011, 11:17 pm 
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|1honestly, i'm still waiting for them to revamp the report function to make it easier to report those with names like |1|1O00oooo OOO0|1

Hey, I almost wanted a name like that. It's very stylish and cool to have a name with lots of numbers and random characters. Either that or just a lot of people do it. :P

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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
PostPosted: September 3rd, 2011, 9:35 am 
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I thought a lot of stakers would choose Ooo00ooOO0oo0o0o0oOOO0ooo0o0o0o names since they're hard to look up the stats of or something XD


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I thought a lot of stakers would choose Ooo00ooOO0oo0o0o0oOOO0ooo0o0o0o names since they're hard to look up the stats of or something XD

Those and lots of pkers would have names like IIIll1II11lIIll1. Back in the day when the font wasn't updated so it just looked like llllllllllllllll

Yes, I was pked by someone like that... XD

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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
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Oh my! How did I miss this thread?!?! I would be remiss if I didn't pipe up with my opinion.

Bonsai99 you did what was right. The rules against macroing are clear and are there for a purpose. There is no honour at all in cheating. Pointing out someone who cheats exposes them for who they are. A rule breaker, a cheater, lazy, and someone who can't compete with others FAIRLY. There is no honour at all in that. There is honour in exposing and especially reporting someone who cheats. Cheaters in an MMO are a cancer to the game. Totally making the ranks and hiscores meaningless. They lack all integrity, can't be trusted, and are not worthy of honour. They should be reported and banned.

Who cares?!?! The honest players care!!! And, yes there are a lot of us playing this game. Give me a break! Anyone who wants to hang around with truly honest players are welcome to join our clan.

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 Post subject: Re: It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act
PostPosted: September 8th, 2011, 7:09 am 
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I think a lot of people mistakenly read my posts as saying rule breakers deserve honour.

That's not what I said. What I said was friends, acquaintances, generally anyone you know, deserves common decency. That's what I'm getting at. When X was banned it was proven he broke the rules, or at the very least, was acting in such a way that Jagex believed he was. That's irrelevant to my point.

People need to remember that bots have been around longer than 99% of us. It's not a recent thing. I was playing in 2002 and there was bots. I am getting sick to my back teeth ove hearing about how bots are ruining the game, it's everywhere. Seriously, get over it. They've been around for a decade and they'll be here in another decade. They're not going anywhere. They never will.

Read this and take it in.

Runescape is a game that revolves around repetitive actions.
As long as Runescape stays as it always has been, there will be bots.


Whining and moaning about it every second of every day is not going to change a thing. (Not speaking about anyone here, just players in general) and sacrificing personal integrity to get rid of one bot (when I've read that one person can control up to ten accounts at once) is... well, I guess it depends on how much you value how you appear to other people, and before the 'i don't care what ppl think' comments come in, bull ****. Everyone cares. It's how you get a job. It's how you make friends. It how you get along in life. Be yourself sure, but don't make yourself look like a **** for nothing.

And that's all this is tbh. You got rid of one bot Bonsai; like i said I commend your determination but truth be told another bot was made the moment he was gone.

Then another a couple moments later. Then another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another...

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