Jagex Lately.

Killjoy · **Posted:** March 19th, 2013, 11:39 am

"There SHALL BE NO GAMBLING!!!
but don't forget guys to buy your spins!!

"

"There SHALL BE NO REAL WORLD TRADING!!!!!
but don't forget to check out the sara general store!

"

Adbot · **Posted:** March 19th, 2013, 11:39 am

Shane · **Posted:** March 19th, 2013, 1:51 pm

I had the same feelings about Squeal when it came out. Why should people have access to something like gambling so easily? This is more so a problem with the buyable spins for me than the 2 or 3 you get per day. I don't have much of an issue with those since everyone gets them.

But as for Solomon's store, it's no different than buying an item off the TF2 store or purchasing DLC off of the Xbox marketplace. So it's not real world trading because the items you get there really aren't that game changing, the vast majority are cosmetic. It's a good business model and fortunately most of the items in there are focused towards fitting in with the RS game. I've even taken advantage of one of the non-free bank boosters.

I'm glad though that they're supporting the game like this rather than raising prices on existing members. The micro-transaction model can be taken further, to fund games entirely like Star Trek Online. I think Jagex has the right balance overall.

I just wish they'd be a little more clear with their motives.

Jason B · **Posted:** March 19th, 2013, 4:23 pm

Jagex has to tend to my gambling addiction

Killjoy · **Posted:** March 19th, 2013, 10:31 pm

Shane wrote:

I had the same feelings about Squeal when it came out. Why should people have access to something like gambling so easily? This is more so a problem with the buyable spins for me than the 2 or 3 you get per day. I don't have much of an issue with those since everyone gets them.

It's still gambling. Now, I am going to just say that I am all for gambling to be honest. (In game money) People everyday in Runescape are 'gambling' whether it be in chance games, or on the GE, in PKing, or dueling. In the end it is ALL gambling. I really don't have a problem with it to be honest. I don't see why they don't set up a type of "casino" in game instead of just banning it all. I think that would make everyone happy. Also, take some money out of the economy.

Shane wrote:

But as for Solomon's store, it's no different than buying an item off the TF2 store or purchasing DLC off of the Xbox marketplace. So it's not real world trading because the items you get there really aren't that game changing, the vast majority are cosmetic. It's a good business model and fortunately most of the items in there are focused towards fitting in with the RS game. I've even taken advantage of one of the non-free bank boosters.

Not real world trading? So if I go out and buy a Santa Hat(cosmetic idem) on a site that's not real world trading? No. Of Course it is. You are trading real world money for an idem in a game. That is real world trading. Doesn't matter if it cosmetic or not. In the end it is real world trading.

Shane wrote:

I'm glad though that they're supporting the game like this rather than raising prices on existing members. The micro-transaction model can be taken further, to fund games entirely like Star Trek Online. I think Jagex has the right balance overall.

I just wish they'd be a little more clear with their motives.

Agree.

Lord Rickles · **Posted:** March 19th, 2013, 10:55 pm

I'd rather have my money support Jagex in their regulated offerings than some 30-something year old dude in his mother's basement with 15 computers gold farming. The game and its offerings (whether it be gp, items, or what-have-you) still belong to Jagex and they deserve to get paid for it, or not paid for it if they so choose, and not other people. Obviously they have some sense of what they find to be moral and are maintaining the integrity of the game, and that's their line to draw.

It seems hypercritical, but even if it is, the fact remains that it's their game to manage how they wish. It is illegal for others to profit from their work and they have the right to protect it.

Killjoy · **Posted:** March 19th, 2013, 11:03 pm

Lord Rickles wrote:

I'd rather have my money support Jagex in their regulated offerings than some 30-something year old dude in his mother's basement with 15 computers gold farming. The game and its offerings (whether it be gp, items, or what-have-you) still belong to Jagex and they deserve to get paid for it, or not paid for it if they so choose, and not other people. Obviously they have some sense of what they find to be moral and are maintaining the integrity of the game, and that's their line to draw.

It seems hypercritical, but even if it is, the fact remains that it's their game to manage how they wish. It is illegal for others to profit from their work and they have the right to protect it.

I agree, while they have the legal right to do so, it seems strange. For as long as I can remember they have been against real world trading under any circumstances. Then they come out and do it themselves. Then the same thing happens with gambling just in the opposite order. It's just funny and hypocritical.

Adbot · **Posted:** March 19th, 2013, 11:03 pm

trekkie · **Posted:** March 20th, 2013, 4:02 pm

well if you really want to get down to it, everytime you buy items to go boss hunting you are in essence gambling that the money you used to fight it will give a big return in investment with a very nice drop.

that is also a game of chance that is beyond your control.

Killjoy · **Posted:** March 20th, 2013, 6:35 pm

trekkie wrote:

well if you really want to get down to it, everytime you buy items to go boss hunting you are in essence gambling that the money you used to fight it will give a big return in investment with a very nice drop.

that is also a game of chance that is beyond your control.

Yea that's what I'm saying. So why is gambling with money directly so bad when you are basically just doing the same thing but with items.

Duke Juker · RSBandB Donor since 07/01/2010

While it is their game and they can do whatever they want, Jagex should not be involved in the gambling business. People should just play the game. Money shouldn't be factored in beyond membership. And gambling is just a bad thing to incorporate into anything, real life or digitally speaking. It's simply wrong. To put it blatantly and strongly, Jagex is greedy. I may even go so far as to say they are unethical for allowing SoF and Salomon's Store in the game. But, maybe that's just how I alone feel.

zant · **Posted:** March 21st, 2013, 8:13 am

Solomon is not really RWT because it does not give any in game advantages, it is all cosmetic. And SoF is nothing like the hot/cold gambling that players do. It is pretty much the same thing as the drop system, rare drops are rare, and other smaller drops are fairly common. And in the player hosted gambling, huge sums of money were at stake. With SoF you are not paying huge sums of money in attempt to get more money by chance. It is somewhat gambling, but its just a wheel that you spin to pick your prize, you are guarnateed a prize. And Solomon and SoF are great ways to break money in, which is being put into the game, not into Mod Mark's wallet like everbody thinks. I bet if SoF and Solomon did not come about, we would not have EoC, we would not have TWW or at least it would not have been nearly as good as it was. And I bet without SoF and Solomon, RuneScape would not be getting HTML5 support in the coming months, nor have support for tablets, etc.

And to be completely honest, I really do love Solomon. It is a great way to bring money into the game, and it is just cosmetic. Paying some money to make you character look cool....what is wrong with that?

zant · **Posted:** March 21st, 2013, 8:19 am

trekkie wrote:

well if you really want to get down to it, everytime you buy items to go boss hunting you are in essence gambling that the money you used to fight it will give a big return in investment with a very nice drop.

that is also a game of chance that is beyond your control.

When I go to Nex, I don't go into the room and say "Hi Nex, here's 50m. Will you host this bet for me?

Killjoy · **Posted:** March 21st, 2013, 2:50 pm

Zant wrote:

Solomon is not really RWT because it does not give any in game advantages, it is all cosmetic. And SoF is nothing like the hot/cold gambling that players do. It is pretty much the same thing as the drop system, rare drops are rare, and other smaller drops are fairly common. And in the player hosted gambling, huge sums of money were at stake. With SoF you are not paying huge sums of money in attempt to get more money by chance. It is somewhat gambling, but its just a wheel that you spin to pick your prize, you are guarnateed a prize. And Solomon and SoF are great ways to break money in, which is being put into the game, not into Mod Mark's wallet like everbody thinks. I bet if SoF and Solomon did not come about, we would not have EoC, we would not have TWW or at least it would not have been nearly as good as it was. And I bet without SoF and Solomon, RuneScape would not be getting HTML5 support in the coming months, nor have support for tablets, etc.

And to be completely honest, I really do love Solomon. It is a great way to bring money into the game, and it is just cosmetic. Paying some money to make you character look cool....what is wrong with that?

I will again post what I already posted.

Not real world trading? So if I go out and buy a Santa Hat(a cosmetic idem) on a site that's not real world trading? No. Of Course it is. You are trading real world money for an idem in a game. That is real world trading. Doesn't matter if it cosmetic or not. In the end it is real world trading.

REAL money for FAKE items (cosmetic or not) is real world trading.

Zant wrote:

trekkie wrote:

well if you really want to get down to it, everytime you buy items to go boss hunting you are in essence gambling that the money you used to fight it will give a big return in investment with a very nice drop.

that is also a game of chance that is beyond your control.

When I go to Nex, I don't go into the room and say "Hi Nex, here's 50m. Will you host this bet for me?

No. That is exactaly what you are doing. Now you might not say it, but that is what you are doing in a sense. You are risking them items that you have on your character for the items that Nex may drop. That is gambling. No. There is no hosting, or scamming, or anything of that nature, but you are betting, just though a different medium.

zant · **Posted:** March 21st, 2013, 9:44 pm

If you die at Nex, and can't get back to your grave in 15 minutes, you should quit this game. And what other way can a drop system work? It is the same way with any other drop system from any other game. They aren't hating on gambling in general, they are hating on PLAYER HOSTED gambling. One of the options to fix the player hosted gambling problem was for them to implement a "casino" into the game. But that did not happen.

And the argument about the RWT thing, you can sell a santa hat giving you a huge advantage in the game, with SoF you cannot. It is not giving you any in game benefit other than looking like a baws.

Uncle Dano · **Posted:** March 27th, 2013, 1:48 pm

trekkie wrote:

well if you really want to get down to it, everytime you buy items to go boss hunting you are in essence gambling that the money you used to fight it will give a big return in investment with a very nice drop.

that is also a game of chance that is beyond your control.

Yes, there is some element of chance, however you can significantly reduce that chance by applying your skills, researching, studying, etc. It's not totally random, but I do agree that a lot of RS combat does have an element of chance to it.

Ka Pai · **Posted:** March 28th, 2013, 1:38 am

I used to check the home page almost everyday, eager to see and absorb anything jagex post but know it's saturated with SOF and soloman's that i don't bother.