Uncle Dano wrote:
Warren wrote:
No, you're sugar coating it as if it's just standing up for your rights or something. Which it isn't because your rights aren't at stake. Yet while doing it you express a desire to limit others' rights and interfere in their lives to prevent something that does not negatively effect you. But yeah, I guess that's just merely supporting traditional marriage..
Actually, I am not sugar coating it. The issue is that voicing one's opinion in a civil, respectful manner is part of standing up for your rights. There is still a right to free speech. What you are saying, is that you don't want to hear the opposing point of view, because you think that it is infringing upon your so-called "rights". The right to free speech works both ways. And, what about the right to religious freedom? That is still a right. And, by silencing the actual expression of the morals taught from one's religion, you are trampling on the rights of that religious person. First by telling him he can't say what he believes, second by discriminating and judging him because he associates with a particular religion/belief. That's how it works. Bigotry is not a one way street. It works both ways. But, the other point that I'm trying to make is that you generally won't hear a Conservative Christian flat out call you a "Christophobic ******** bigot" if you express that you support same-sex marriage. But you sure hear the opposite: Someone who supports traditional marriage is automatically labelled a homophobic bigot (sometimes with more expletives
). That is actually the point I'm making. It's the different reactions and responses that are to be judged, not what they stand for.
Voicing your opinion is not standing up for your rights. If you were able to voice it your rights weren't oppressed. No one stopped you. I do believe that I never said I wanted to silence him? I said that all he did was merely admit that he was a homophobic *******. Which he is. Apparently I shouldn't have the right to describe his views accurately or something? lol And no one is violating his religious freedom. He has the right to a strictly heterosexual life based off of his religion. Religious freedom does not mean you can take a hateful position and automatically be free of criticism because, I mean, it's your religion. It must be okay to take an immoral stance if it's out of religion! Religious freedom!
Like seriously, I never once hinted that I thought he shouldn't be allowed to say what he believes. I kind of said the opposite of that. So don't direct that to me.
I don't even think I mentioned religion at all. So please tell me where I judged him because of his religious association. And why wouldn't I be allowed to judge him anyways? Judging someone is not infringing their rights, I can judge whoever I want. I guess some religions say only god can judge, but I'm not religious.
You keep throwing around "bigot" as if anyone else in this topic is actually saying it lmao. Maybe someone did but I didn't.
What you fail to understand is that on this specific issue it is not a two way street. Simply put, there is no morality in being homophobic. There is no rationale. You are telling people they are not allowed to be themselves. You're telling them they should be ashamed of who they are. You are telling them that there is something wrong with them, that they are not normal, and that their happiness should be limited. You are sending the message to youth that LGBT is wrong and encouraging constant torment that is forcing some to suicide. And it's the people who actually care about others who are trying to prevent that. Hiding behind labels, "It's just part of being conservative/It's just part of being christian" does not change that. I'm sorry, but you don't have to be homophobic to be conservative. You don't have to be homophobic to be Christian. Being conservative and christian is irrelevant in all of this and all you are trying to do is play the victim to wash away the actual victims in all of this. It's disgusting.
I have some hardcore christians in my family. Obviously they're conservative. And they disagree with homosexuality because of their religion. But in all that they keep their mouth shut because they know how wrong it would be to interfere in others' lives like that. You can try telling them that they're not actually Christian if you want. You won't succeed lol.
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