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 Post subject: Re: Current election poll from the country of RSBandB
PostPosted: January 27th, 2012, 10:13 pm 
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Rick Santorum is out of his mind, lol.

If I were to choose a Republican Candidate, I'd choose Mitt Romney. His views aren't extreme, and that's what I like about him. Considering I'm voting in this next election, I've been paying a lot more attention to politics recently, and his views are favorable. I need to see more of what they all have to say, including Obama, before I make any decisions.

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 Post subject: Re: Current election poll from the country of RSBandB
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 1:39 pm 
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George Washington was correct in advising that America stere away from political parties. Shame nobody listened.

I believe that was James Madison who was the one that said political factions were a bad thing, not Washington. You really need to brush up on your history.

GET OUT. NOW.

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In contemplating the causes which may disturb our Union, it occurs as matter of serious concern that any ground should have been furnished for characterizing parties by geographical discriminations, Northern and Southern, Atlantic and Western; whence designing men may endeavor to excite a belief that there is a real difference of local interests and views. One of the expedients of party to acquire influence within particular districts is to misrepresent the opinions and aims of other districts. You cannot shield yourselves too much against the jealousies and heartburnings which spring from these misrepresentations; they tend to render alien to each other those who ought to be bound together by fraternal affection ... I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged.



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While, then, every part of our country thus feels an immediate and particular interest in union, all the parts combined cannot fail to find in the united mass of means and efforts greater strength, greater resource, proportionably greater security from external danger, a less frequent interruption of their peace by foreign nations; and, what is of inestimable value, they must derive from union an exemption from those broils and wars between themselves, which so frequently afflict neighboring countries not tied together by the same governments, which their own rival ships alone would be sufficient to produce, but which opposite foreign alliances, attachments, and intrigues would stimulate and embitter. Hence, likewise, they will avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty. In this sense it is that your union ought to be considered as a main prop of your liberty, and that the love of the one ought to endear to you the preservation of the other.


Both can be found in George Washington's farewell address. Learn history before you scold others. Words cannot express my rage right now :evil:.

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 Post subject: Re: Current election poll from the country of RSBandB
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 2:37 pm 
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Thomas wrote:
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Firering401 wrote:
George Washington was correct in advising that America stere away from political parties. Shame nobody listened.

I believe that was James Madison who was the one that said political factions were a bad thing, not Washington. You really need to brush up on your history.

GET OUT. NOW.

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In contemplating the causes which may disturb our Union, it occurs as matter of serious concern that any ground should have been furnished for characterizing parties by geographical discriminations, Northern and Southern, Atlantic and Western; whence designing men may endeavor to excite a belief that there is a real difference of local interests and views. One of the expedients of party to acquire influence within particular districts is to misrepresent the opinions and aims of other districts. You cannot shield yourselves too much against the jealousies and heartburnings which spring from these misrepresentations; they tend to render alien to each other those who ought to be bound together by fraternal affection ... I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged.



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While, then, every part of our country thus feels an immediate and particular interest in union, all the parts combined cannot fail to find in the united mass of means and efforts greater strength, greater resource, proportionably greater security from external danger, a less frequent interruption of their peace by foreign nations; and, what is of inestimable value, they must derive from union an exemption from those broils and wars between themselves, which so frequently afflict neighboring countries not tied together by the same governments, which their own rival ships alone would be sufficient to produce, but which opposite foreign alliances, attachments, and intrigues would stimulate and embitter. Hence, likewise, they will avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty. In this sense it is that your union ought to be considered as a main prop of your liberty, and that the love of the one ought to endear to you the preservation of the other.


Both can be found in George Washington's farewell address. Learn history before you scold others. Words cannot express my rage right now :evil:.

http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/documents/farewell/intro.html
"When Washington early in 1796 determined to retire in March, 1797, he revived the idea of issuing a valedictory address to the American people. He reverted to Madison's draft of 1792, and wove it into the structure of a new address he was preparing. This new holograph manuscript of Washington is called Washington's first draft."
He's not wrong, but not completely right either. Madison had a major influence on it, but Alexander Hamilton revised it later.

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 Post subject: Re: Current election poll from the country of RSBandB
PostPosted: January 28th, 2012, 6:56 pm 
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[quote="Earth"
http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/documents/farewell/intro.html
"When Washington early in 1796 determined to retire in March, 1797, he revived the idea of issuing a valedictory address to the American people. He reverted to Madison's draft of 1792, and wove it into the structure of a new address he was preparing. This new holograph manuscript of Washington is called Washington's first draft."
He's not wrong, but not completely right either. Madison had a major influence on it, but Alexander Hamilton revised it later.[/quote]
If he said Madison was the origin of the idea, then sure, but he said Madison said it, implying Madison was the one that made it known, but in reality, Washington said it and made it known. But, yeah, he is in a sense correct.

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Here's some good scientific data as to why Romney is the ideal candidate: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... ican_candidates.html

Romney has a much narrower gap than any of the others do. I heard this in November but this data is recent and the trend still holds up. Polls are generally a good indicator to within a few percentage points in most cases. The only concerns I have with following polls is when two polls give wildly different data.

This is also a good example of why the race needs to be resolved as soon as possible, the longer this goes on, the longer Obama gets to take advantage of the uncertainty.

Of course the only bomb shell with Romney is his income, but who says those who were apart of the Occupy movement will actually get out to vote :lol:. The question then becomes: With two generic presidential candidates do the independents and swing democrats vote for Romney given that he's a Republican, Mormon, and very rich paying a small amount of taxes? Or are they fed up enough with the current situation to vote Obama again?

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Thomas wrote:
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http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/documents/farewell/intro.html
"When Washington early in 1796 determined to retire in March, 1797, he revived the idea of issuing a valedictory address to the American people. He reverted to Madison's draft of 1792, and wove it into the structure of a new address he was preparing. This new holograph manuscript of Washington is called Washington's first draft."
He's not wrong, but not completely right either. Madison had a major influence on it, but Alexander Hamilton revised it later.

If he said Madison was the origin of the idea, then sure, but he said Madison said it, implying Madison was the one that made it known, but in reality, Washington said it and made it known. But, yeah, he is in a sense correct.

Look Thomas. I wouldn't rage at someone who is a history major whose particular focus happens to be US History. I'm pretty sure I would know what I'm talking about (and probably know a little more than you). If there is any confusion, I meant to say that Madison was the first to state the idea that political factions were something to be avoided. Anytime historians or political scientists refer to the idea, they attribute the idea to Madison. Perhaps Washington made it more known, but people should have already known before he said it from reading the Federalist Papers. Don't have to get all angry over particulars.

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Duke Juker wrote:
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>Federalist was a political party
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>Federalist was a political party
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The papers were written before Washington was even president.

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So how does everyone feel after tonight? Is this a blip or is it endemic of a bigger problem?

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For president and congressional races, I always vote for the candidate that most closely mirrors my views. I don't vote just because the candidate is in the same party. There are two primary social issues and one foreign policy issue, that, if a candidate isn't in line with my views, he won't get my vote in the primary's. Of the remaining candidates, Rick Santorum's stance is the closest to mine.

My stance on the other candidates:

Mitt Romney - there's something about him I just don't trust. If he is the nominee, my vote will probably depend on who he picks for vice president.

Newt - I like the idea of someone with his intellect in the office, but he just has too many skeletons in his closet. It's likely the democratic party has some juicy little scandals waiting in the wings, in case Newt win's the nomination. I think Newt would be better suited in a cabinet position.

Ron Paul - Ron Paul scares me with his foreign policy views, but I do like his personality. Think about the idea of a Ron Paul and his son Rand Paul as VP. That would be an interesting ticket.


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So how does everyone feel after tonight? Is this a blip or is it endemic of a bigger problem?



I was a bit shocked that Santarum won all three states. Mind you Missouri (which is actually the state I live in) doesnt help any of them win the nomination (due to some state screw up >.<) So Missouri was just a strawpoll.

As long as the nomination for GOP is either Romney or Santarum I really dont mind.

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I just had a cool idea. How about making Arnold "The Terminator" our next Secretary of State. Can you see him in a meeting with Iran's leader "ImANutJob", saying something like: "give up your nukes, or I'll be back". LOL.

Speaking of the Secretary of State, I'm was not a big fan of her when she was running for president or was the first lady, but I think Hilary Clinton has done great as Secretary of State. If a republican win's the presidency, I wouldn't be against her staying on in her current role.


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I think this image sums up who RSBandB really likes.

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