battle for Thedraken@ Current score 2:2 GF hacker noob.

Anubis · **Posted:** August 18th, 2011, 4:09 pm

Well I definitely didn't get one over the last few days.

QFC for my OFP attempting to get my account back. I'd be grateful if anyone could voice their opinions too, seeing as how a lot of members on this site knew me when I was playing on Thedraken.

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Adbot · **Posted:** August 18th, 2011, 4:09 pm

Duke Juker · RSBandB Donor since 07/01/2010

Don't worry. I put in a good word for ya. Now I'm just waiting for Jagex to ban me because I'm right and see things clearly. It's only the next logical step, right?

Anubis · **Posted:** August 19th, 2011, 7:10 am

Still no luck as of yet; my appeals are getting decline in a matter of seconds. :/

Crayonz · **Posted:** August 23rd, 2011, 11:23 am

I have nothing more to say than: THIS IS HILARIOUS

You were "nooby" when he took the account, now you're... pretty well off
If you get to keep the account... gf hacker

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** August 23rd, 2011, 11:29 am

Did it ever occure to anyone that it might not be the hacker? Could of sold the account. Given it away to a relative/friend. Whatever.

A long time has passed since you lost it the person fighting to keep it might very well be an innocent person. Perhaps there on another fansite ranting about some guy trying to hack there account. :lol:

Course if they did buy it **** em but if it was given to them eh..it's sorta a tough call. Seems very strange to me that he'd hack your account and then bother to train to 99 rc.

Duke Juker · RSBandB Donor since 07/01/2010

CreepyPirate wrote:

Did it ever occure to anyone that it might not be the hacker? Could of sold the account. Given it away to a relative/friend. Whatever.

A long time has passed since you lost it the person fighting to keep it might very well be an innocent person. Perhaps there on another fansite ranting about some guy trying to hack there account. :lol:

Course if they did buy it **** em but if it was given to them eh..it's sorta a tough call. Seems very strange to me that he'd hack your account and then bother to train to 99 rc.

Define inncocent. If someone else has the account, that's breaking the rules anyway. So...ya. Not really innocent at all, regardless of if it's a different person.

Adbot · **Posted:** August 23rd, 2011, 5:23 pm

Crayonz · **Posted:** August 24th, 2011, 5:54 am

CreepyPirate wrote:

Did it ever occure to anyone that it might not be the hacker? Could of sold the account. Given it away to a relative/friend. Whatever.

A long time has passed since you lost it the person fighting to keep it might very well be an innocent person. Perhaps there on another fansite ranting about some guy trying to hack there account. :lol:

Course if they did buy it **** em but if it was given to them eh..it's sorta a tough call. Seems very strange to me that he'd hack your account and then bother to train to 99 rc.

He is definitely not innocent, whether he knows it or not
The account belongs to draken, not some kid down the lane

Warren · **Posted:** August 24th, 2011, 1:56 pm

Not really against the rules to inherit an account, though. Jagex really have put themselves in a tough situation regarding whether it is right to give back the account or let the person keep it if it was inherited unknowingly from the hacker. They're going to **** off someone in the end, seeing as they didn't allow nubis to recover it years earlier (where a mess like that wouldn't have happen).

Duke Juker · RSBandB Donor since 07/01/2010

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Each account should only be used by ONE person. Account sharing is NOT allowed. You may not sell, transfer or lend your account to anyone else, or permit anyone else to use your account, and you may not accept an account that anybody else offers you.

Hence, rule is broken even if you inherit an account. You are knowingly accepting an account that is not originally yours, regardless of if it even belongs to who is giving it to you or not. Besides, what point is there in taking someone else's account that you put no work into yourself? Take's all the fun out of the game really.

Warren · **Posted:** August 24th, 2011, 8:06 pm

Dunno. What is the fun in inheriting anything from people in real life? Where is the fun in thinking that you have more of a right to stuff than someone else because of where you or your parents were born?
You take the account and add work to it. It's not like taking an account maxed with every skill 200M xp, where you have absolutely nothing to add.
You can hardly argue that if in fact the person received the account, after all the work put into it, that they broke a rule serious enough to warrant Jagex taking it away from them. I said it wasn't really against the rules because I'm pretty sure Jagex doesn't do anything to accounts they know were given away. I suspect that the line about receiving account being against the rules is so that, if they suspect you had bought the account, you cannot appeal it by saying you were merely given it. Also so that when people give away an account and want it back, or people receive and account and have it taken back, Jagex has no part in that dispute. It is, "against" the "rules", afterall. Maybe de jure against the rules, but de facto allowed.

Duke Juker · RSBandB Donor since 07/01/2010

There is no fun in inheriting anything in real life. It may make things easier, but it isn't as fun or appreciated as something you do or earn. Also, I'd compare a Runescape account a life. A Runescape account is something you can trade or give away, but like a real life, everything done on that account is unique and experienced only by the person who did them. You taking a Runescape account is like stepping into someone else's worn out shoes in real life and gaining whatever benefits and disadvantages that comes with being that person. What's the point of playing Runescape or living life if someone else is doing it for you? And in truth, it's actually not that much different from botting. I think it's fair to say that if you are ok with giving away accounts or inheriting them (even from a friend), then you should have no problem with bots making accounts and selling or giving them away to just anyone. There's no difference between a person giving you an account that they have worked on and a bot making an account for you. Either way, you aren't doing any work, yet still gaining from someone or something else's time put in.

And yes, there is a difference between what is against the rules and what is actually allowed or ignored. It is against the law to speed. Anytime a policeman lets you off the hook or doesn't chase you down for speeding has to do with enforcement, not the rule itself. Your point was that it wasn't really against the rules and I pointed out that it is. Whether Jagex enforces that rule or cares is a different matter, but it is against the rules and should be dealt with. Time doesn't change anything either with regards to rule breaking or inheriting an account.

Warren · **Posted:** August 25th, 2011, 11:05 am

When giving away an account, someone willingly looses something, and someone gains something. It overall balances out. Whereas botting there is nothing lost (no time or effort) and everything gained. Thus that balance is disrupted. As for selling accounts you loose your account but gain money, while someone gains the account. They loose money to get the account but the money used wasn't made in relation to RuneScape. Again disrupting the balance with outside value entering into the game.

I never said "It isn't against the rules by dictionary definition", I said it wasn't really against the rules. There was that rule about 3/4 of your daily posts had to be about RuneScape or something on RuneWire to shut up everyone crying about not wanting to see WoW related posts before the ignore list was made. It was in the rules. But was it really a rule? Pretty sure it was only the people who had an irrational hatred against people who made WoW posts who were looking to get people in trouble over it, and even if they were able to catch someone it's not like the mods were about to warn anyone over it.
In the end, if it's not being enforced, it's allowed. There is a difference between inconsistent enforcement and no enforcement.

And time doesn't change anything, sure. But if he succeeds in securing the account, that is just like inheriting it himself because now he gets an account with 5 years of someone else's work. Should the account therefore just be banned? No.
And if time doesn't change anything in that regard I guess Aboriginals still own Canada and such. **** it.

Duke Juker · RSBandB Donor since 07/01/2010

But there is still a balance between a botted account being given away and a normal human trained account being given away. The person with the botted account has something to offer to someone who wants a pre-made account. A balance it still maintained. Perhaps what you are more concerned about is the human factor. To you, there is a difference between a bot making an account and a human making an account. But really, the ends are the same. The means come into question, but are identical except for who is doing them. It depends on the balance you are referring to and what is involved. If we just take balance to mean that something given is paid for with equal value, then there is no difference between selling a botted account and a human account. But if you want to take means into account, then there is an imbalance, but only because of the means by which the account was created and trained.

"Wasn't really" is the same as saying "It isn't." The meaning and intention is there to say that something isn't. You may not use those words, but the way it is understood is the same. Either it is against the rules or it isn't. There's no gray area. Enforcement doesn't change whether something is a law or not, but changes if it is a law taken seriously or lightly.

In my personal opinion, you shouldn't try to get this account back Draken because the work has already been done. You can't go back and change it now. The account might as well get banned or rolled back or just deleted entirely. Why you would want to play an account that already has been played and trained thoroughly is beyond me. I do believe it is your account and support that you should be able to get it back, but I don't understand why you would want it back after all this work has been done by others.

Warren · **Posted:** August 25th, 2011, 5:26 pm

No the balance with a botted account being given away is disrupted with the account being botted in the first place. No one's time or effort was used in leveling it, but it has stats nonetheless. In terms of selling an account, any account, it's because outside value (the money) that is not a human's work enters the game. So yes, selling a human built account and selling a bot built account are pretty much the same thing... the botted one worse, but both are bad. Overall in real life, balance is maintained, but within RuneScape it isn't.
But that's just personally believing the only outside value that should be allowed to be added to a RuneScape account is human time/effort, and any other value tips the balance, which creates the unfairness to buying an account or botting an account rather than just inheriting it.

And I guess we differ on whether or not someone wrongs by doing something that is written down that you are not supposed to do even though it is defacto allowed. Either that or differ on the meaning of "breaking the rules" XD.

Anubis · **Posted:** August 26th, 2011, 8:07 am

CreepyPirate wrote:

Did it ever occure to anyone that it might not be the hacker? Could of sold the account. Given it away to a relative/friend. Whatever.

A long time has passed since you lost it the person fighting to keep it might very well be an innocent person. Perhaps there on another fansite ranting about some guy trying to hack there account. :lol:

Course if they did buy it **** em but if it was given to them eh..it's sorta a tough call. Seems very strange to me that he'd hack your account and then bother to train to 99 rc.

Aye that's occurred to me. It's as broad as it's long though, i got hacked to lose the account in the first place and whether it's been passed around since then is kind of irrelevant.

Needless to say I'm still trying the appeals - must be over 60 times i've tried now - still no luck.

Wouldn't care as much if I hadn't gotten it back twice... >.>

Jagex: "You want the carrot? You want the carrot?? Here you go!! NO WAIT IT'S MINE. HAHAHAHA."