Is Runescape declining?

Regnenth · **Posted:** October 16th, 2010, 4:48 pm

Jay wrote:

Saying he hasn't a **** bit of room to talk would be more offensive than anything he's posted.

im saying he has no room to make a judgment when his rs status is never played. if he has played then he should take the 10 seconds to change it. otherwise his comments could be regarded as irrelevant as his status means he doesnt know what hes talking about

Adbot · **Posted:** October 16th, 2010, 4:48 pm

Jay · **Posted:** October 17th, 2010, 1:56 pm

Regnenth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Saying he hasn't a **** bit of room to talk would be more offensive than anything he's posted.

im saying he has no room to make a judgment when his rs status is never played. if he has played then he should take the 10 seconds to change it. otherwise his comments could be regarded as irrelevant as his status means he doesnt know what hes talking about

He's new here. Just because he hasn't filled in all the optional profile fields doesn't mean he doesn't know anything.

Warren · **Posted:** October 17th, 2010, 2:17 pm

Plus, he is right. If you have played for 5 years but are level 20 and have a really low total level, just exactly have you experienced RuneScape? Many things in RuneScape require levels to participate in those activities. You can read about them all you want but you really don't know unless you experienced them.
But I really haven't read this thread. So I don't know if he was just saying generally, or if he was telling someone with a fair total level that they can't really judge if rs is declining or not.

For me personally it has declined since the days of the more-ignorant-than-i-am-now-early-teens me. There were fun things about it that now aren't just there. I don't think it is necessarily rs that changed in that aspect but more myself.
But as for the repetitive hours the original post talks about, that was always there. If more emphasize placed on those aspects is considered a decline, I don't think it is RuneScape that has declined but the community. And since that is the general attitude, they have been placing more updates to quicken experience rates I think, not that some people like such updates. But what I think triggered a greater interest in training skills to 99 were the skill capes. And then everyone just followed along with those who were going for a skill cape until the game became about getting 99 everything.

Ice · Runite: 9/30/2010

Warren wrote:

Plus, he is right. If you have played for 5 years but are level 20 and have a really low total level, just exactly have you experienced RuneScape? Many things in RuneScape require levels to participate in those activities. You can read about them all you want but you really don't know unless you experienced them.
But I really haven't read this thread. So I don't know if he was just saying generally, or if he was telling someone with a fair total level that they can't really judge if rs is declining or not.

He said I didn't know anything about RS because I'm F2P.

Jay · **Posted:** October 17th, 2010, 6:04 pm

IceBlackDragon wrote:

Warren wrote:

Plus, he is right. If you have played for 5 years but are level 20 and have a really low total level, just exactly have you experienced RuneScape? Many things in RuneScape require levels to participate in those activities. You can read about them all you want but you really don't know unless you experienced them.
But I really haven't read this thread. So I don't know if he was just saying generally, or if he was telling someone with a fair total level that they can't really judge if rs is declining or not.

He said I didn't know anything about RS because I'm F2P.

You said his opinion which was entirely valid was "the dumbest thing you read all week." He is partially correct, members has much much more content to be experienced in P2P. You can't have true knowledge of everything in Runescape when you limit yourself to 30% of its content.

Ice · Runite: 9/30/2010

Jay wrote:

You said his opinion which was entirely valid was "the dumbest thing you read all week." He is partially correct, members has much much more content to be experienced in P2P. You can't have true knowledge of everything in Runescape when you limit yourself to 30% of its content.

So my playing for 5 years is pointless? Guess I'll stop then :roll:

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Adbot · **Posted:** October 17th, 2010, 6:53 pm

Jay · **Posted:** October 17th, 2010, 7:55 pm

wait what

How did you even get

IceBlackDragon wrote:

So my playing for 5 years is pointless? Guess I'll stop then :roll:

out of

Jay wrote:

You said his opinion which was entirely valid was "the dumbest thing you read all week." He is partially correct, members has much much more content to be experienced in P2P. You can't have true knowledge of everything in Runescape when you limit yourself to 30% of its content.

I was talking in a general sense, not to any specific person. Even if I was targeting anyone, I don't see how I said anything was pointless.

colonelkfc · **Posted:** October 18th, 2010, 4:39 am

IceBlackDragon wrote:

Jay wrote:

You said his opinion which was entirely valid was "the dumbest thing you read all week." He is partially correct, members has much much more content to be experienced in P2P. You can't have true knowledge of everything in Runescape when you limit yourself to 30% of its content.

So my playing for 5 years is pointless? Guess I'll stop then :roll:

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If you get a month of membership free of charge, would you still be "Runescape sucks, it's declining so bad" or would you go crazy and say "Oh **** this is the best day of my life!"?

5 days, 5 months, 5 years in F2P, it doesn't matter. They still make your opinion not as good as a player that's high level and have played at least a year of membership.

Warren · **Posted:** October 18th, 2010, 10:53 am

No one was saying your playing was pointless unless you played those 5 years to be able to judge by experience whether RuneScape as a whole declined during that time. Then that is kind of a weird reason to play.. But F2P is limited to like less than 3% of the content and has been relatively unchanged compared to members.

Lol when I was writing that last sentence I thought of how it says (or used to say) on the log in page - Free game: So and so many hours of content. Members: more than so and so hours of content. They must include maxing skills out at 99 or maybe even more as content which is kind of weird to pride themselves on that because it's just hours of repeating the same >3 second task.

Ice · Runite: 9/30/2010

You don't need to be a max total player just to comment on one aspect of the game. Like, I was talking about how brand new players can get holiday event items, you don't need to be level 138 to enjoy those, do you? Or some recent changes like how Jagex removed the R&J quest.

Anyway. I'm done here. Thanks Jay for being logical.

Uncle Dano · **12 99's on 12/12/12!**

I think the perception of the "enjoyability" of the game is a matter of personal attitude.

I personally think the G.E. was one of the best updates in the game so far. No more standing around trying to sell your produced goods and haggling over prices. Indeed, price manipulation clans are an annoyance and take advantage of the system, and certainly should be dealt with. But in the end, their temporary effect on a particular item is just that: temporary.

I feel that people are in general a bit impatient these days. The approach I take to the game is to enjoy the experience on a day to day basis. Not getting too hung up on ultimately achieving the 99 skillcape goal too much.

My attitude is that I will accept any update that Jagex feels is important to implement in the game, and try my best to adapt my gameplay and strategy based on the change. It stimulates creativity in gameplay, that is for certain. With each and every update to the game is a new experience, perhaps even a new strategy to goal achievement. Updates and changes are important in order to keep the game from getting stale.

Just remember that when something is new, there is a heightened sense of excitement and an increased level of interest. Once you have been playing for a while, the sense of newness wears off. Which means that in order to keep your interest in the game, it is not up to Jagex to spoon feed you new material, but up to you to adjust your attitude in playing the game. Also, if you tend to take the quick and easy route to goal achievement, when you ultimately reach that goal the level of satisfaction is lessened somewhat. Don't be in so much of a hurry to get that quick and easy 99. Enjoy the experience of working for it.

For me, I know that RS will probably not come to an end as a game in the near future. Keeping that parameter in mind, I am in no rush to max out but play the game as if every day is a new experience. If I become bored working on one particular task or skill, I ask myself "what's something new I haven't tried before?" And believe me, there are tons of things I haven't even tried yet in the game (soulwars, mobilizing armies, clan wars, god wars dungeon, pest control...). I just haven't gotten around to them that's all. For me the updates and the new things introduced into the game keep me interested in finding new ways to train skills. Hardly boring at all, for me anyways. I can hardly keep up with all the new stuff being added all the time. It's somewhat overwhelming at times.

I think that the glory days are relative to your newness to the game and especially your own personal attitude. I still love playing. And, I've recently thought that when I finally achieve a 99 skillcape will I be sad that I won't have a major goal in that particular skill to work towards? So, my attitude now is to enjoy working towards my goals, but don't get too hung up in achieving them... enjoy my time playing. And, by the way, my goal is to achieve multiple 99's all in a row (many of them). Can you imagine the thrill of having about 8-10 skills at lvl 98 just begging to be leveled all at once? Now that is going to be a epic string of fireworks! LOL I just hope that I don't get depressed afterwards. Haha. I honestly don't think I will.

Find your enjoyment. It is there if you want it to be there. Don't just play the game, live the game.

Warren · **Posted:** October 19th, 2010, 10:37 am

IceBlackDragon wrote:

You don't need to be a max total player just to comment on one aspect of the game. Like, I was talking about how brand new players can get holiday event items, you don't need to be level 138 to enjoy those, do you? Or some recent changes like how Jagex removed the R&J quest.

Anyway. I'm done here. Thanks Jay for being logical.

lol I just decided to read the thread and now I agree that was a really stupid statement he made.

Not that I think anything I said was false. I just assumed this was dealing with a wider scope XD

Magicking610 · **Posted:** October 22nd, 2010, 2:19 pm

Well, if people are fighting something like "Is a F2Per as experienced as a P2Per", it shows that the community has sunk to a new low. Now, I'm going to say this as an almost career-long F2Per who has over 40 days played, skills mean absolutely nothing when you want to see if the game is declining. As far as I know, the community counts as a rather big part of an MMO, and if it sucks, the game sucks. Well, the community sucks. The game content itself got better but got worse at the same time, I can't think of any good updates that didn't have something bad attached to it. I dunno, maybe I'll come back one day just to finish up everything I started then never come back, but seeing things like this just keep making me say that it just isn't worth it.

Iron Maiden · **Posted:** October 22nd, 2010, 7:05 pm

Iron's Journal - 22nd October 2010

I'm surrounded by beggars, asking for free items. I'm currently at Varrock. Heading to North-West, followed by at least three noobs. This is deplorable. The community is desperatly trying to sell their junk for poor ammount of money. I'm leaving the mainstreamed city, and while heading to the exit, I see a few young boys killing guards for mere combat experience. Heading to Lumbridge City, I can observe the high ammount of kids picking up cowhides all day long in hope to make a few gold pieces. Going my way to Draynor's Village, I notice a large ammount of strange people named ''adffgks325'' or maybe ''jdsfk765'', all wearing the same outfit and looking very similar. They seem to have no conscience of what is going on in this world. A bit like machines. Draynor's Village is almost deserted, there's only a some mid-leveled chopping wood by hope to gain fortune this way. Not a place to be. I open my spell book and use my teleportation spell to go to Falador City. Nobody is around, a bit like Draynor. People at banks doing everything and nothing. Going to North East, heading to Edgeville. Nobody is talkable. They're all busy buying enhancing potions and food healing themselves. Maybe some razor-bladed weapons. To the North, I jump over a ditch that leads me to the Wilderness. There isn't much left around. It used to be massively crowded battlefield. All I can see is a endless blank waste land. I try to make a sound, but hear my echo. I walk again, more and more. I walk again...and again. In an endless way. The people I saw today are depressed. Nobody want to stick around this universe. They give away all they have to charity and vow to never return again. The crowd is looking up to the sky and screaming Save Us!
And Jagex whispered: No...

I think it sums pretty much the game's situation

RS died at least 3 years ago. It was great back to the time when you had to be hardcore to be level 126. When getting an item as hard as having the money to buy it. When 500k a day was excellent. When people cared...

Thomas · **Posted:** October 22nd, 2010, 10:15 pm

Iron Maiden wrote:

Iron's Journal - 22nd October 2010

I'm surrounded by beggars, asking for free items. I'm currently at Varrock. Heading to North-West, followed by at least three noobs. This is deplorable. The community is desperatly trying to sell their junk for poor ammount of money. I'm leaving the mainstreamed city, and while heading to the exit, I see a few young boys killing guards for mere combat experience. Heading to Lumbridge City, I can observe the high ammount of kids picking up cowhides all day long in hope to make a few gold pieces. Going my way to Draynor's Village, I notice a large ammount of strange people named ''adffgks325'' or maybe ''jdsfk765'', all wearing the same outfit and looking very similar. They seem to have no conscience of what is going on in this world. A bit like machines. Draynor's Village is almost deserted, there's only a some mid-leveled chopping wood by hope to gain fortune this way. Not a place to be. I open my spell book and use my teleportation spell to go to Falador City. Nobody is around, a bit like Draynor. People at banks doing everything and nothing. Going to North East, heading to Edgeville. Nobody is talkable. They're all busy buying enhancing potions and food healing themselves. Maybe some razor-bladed weapons. To the North, I jump over a ditch that leads me to the Wilderness. There isn't much left around. It used to be massively crowded battlefield. All I can see is a endless blank waste land. I try to make a sound, but hear my echo. I walk again, more and more. I walk again...and again. In an endless way. The people I saw today are depressed. Nobody want to stick around this universe. They give away all they have to charity and vow to never return again. The crowd is looking up to the sky and screaming Save Us!
And Jagex whispered: No...

I think it sums pretty much the game's situation

RS died at least 3 years ago. It was great back to the time when you had to be hardcore to be level 126. When getting an item as hard as having the money to buy it. When 500k a day was excellent. When people cared...

now that you have posted this masterpiece, I don't need to post anything more. 100% agreed.