DO NOT report people in the clan for bull **** reasons.

power crazy · **Posted:** May 8th, 2009, 5:19 pm

Alex_SE wrote:

Everyone does their best to follow the rules, however:
There's one thing called tolerance. If person x is trying to help someone in the clan chat by posting a well know, safe link (bypassing the censor), and i repeat, to help someone, why would he be reported?
Rsbandb as always been a very friendly community and full of good-sense, lets keep it that way

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I once got suspended from the runescape official forums for trying to help someone with a virus in their computer. I suggested him to download Hijackthis (a simple scanner) and 10 seconds later a J-MOD deleted my post and locked the thread...
So yes, i think I know a bit how it feels

The Rules are the Rules and jagex has them so people will follow them. While it is interesting how people report so quick in the CC. You have to realize whatever is said still has to follow a Jagex rule whether you are helping people or not. If you really trust that person that you could have said it in a private message. Saying things that are obviously against the rules is just asking to get a mute/ban.

Adbot · **Posted:** May 8th, 2009, 5:19 pm

dafin0 · **Posted:** May 8th, 2009, 6:32 pm

It happens all the time. We can't do anything about it. Or can we......

Why can't the people that developed runescape develop a program that disallows any website mentioning altogether and code it into the game. What could happen is that before they code the program in. They do research. they could have people that work for them to go onto runescape to listen for ways that players bypass the censor. They put this into the program. Then when players try to mention websites, they get muted, and a warning gets sent to their inbox. After that it's the ban-hammer.

How do they bypass the censor??

One way that people often bypass the censor is the old "letter by letter" trick. This is where they want to say the website, but instead of saying in one sentence, which results in stars replacing the website, They say it one letter at a time. They bypass the censor, therefore, they have they saftey that noone cant report them. They would be smart enough not to say the site in a popualted chat, but in ther own chat... surely

or to make it simpler, they could take the whole clan chat thing away for good, since there are a bunch of f-tards out there in the community that report honest people for no reason. And last time i checked,bypassing any kind of sensor that runescape has put into the game was against the rules :shock:

P.S. Whoever you are, Reveal yourself. And while ur at it.....GROW A PAIR

cheers, dafin0 :lol:

wildy277 · **Posted:** May 8th, 2009, 8:21 pm

Maybe don't break the rules...?

Rodsay · **Posted:** May 9th, 2009, 12:26 am

Is there also a possibility that no-one reported you?

A friend of mine was muted for a week because of asking for an exchange of email addresses, there was only himself and the other person in a CC (not this one) at the time and he was helping the other person out with a technical problem on her computer, and she offered her email.

So JAGEX must have a scan set up to catch email address formats and probably URL/websites formats too.

Southrend · **Posted:** May 9th, 2009, 4:43 am

Rodsay wrote:

Is there also a possibility that no-one reported you?

A friend of mine was muted for a week because of asking for an exchange of email addresses, there was only himself and the other person in a CC (not this one) at the time and he was helping the other person out with a technical problem on her computer, and she offered her email.

So JAGEX must have a scan set up to catch email address formats and probably URL/websites formats too.

Hmm I was reading this topic and I thought of exactly the same. If I was a programmer at Jagex I would have built a scan-feature in the chat that checks for certain expressions and handle those as a special type of reporting. I know for 100% that this technique is possible and I can't see any reason why not to build this into the game.

Burnt Joint · **Posted:** May 9th, 2009, 6:15 am

Yes, usually when you somebody reports you you can see their last 60 seconds of conversation (or if they havent spoken within the last 60 seconds, 60 seconds prior of when they last spoke).

e.g

**********: Buying dfs 18m
**********: Buying dfs 18m
**********: Buying dfs 18m
Potatoreaper: rsbandb (dot).(()/\/\
**********: Buying dfs 18m
**********: Buying dfs 18m
**********: Buying dfs 18m

Adbot · **Posted:** May 9th, 2009, 6:15 am

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** May 9th, 2009, 6:54 am

Davo wrote:

This is kind of the reason I stopped using the CC all together. Even jokes are taken as an opportunity to report. It's gotten pretty pathetic so I just quit. The past 2-3 times I've been in the CC I've been highly flame-baited by immature idiots anyway so I just left. It's quite sad that people cannot act their age and have to result to such things.

Isn't a reason to quit CC altogether. The site just needs another CC. I'm not suggesting a boycot of Mikes one, mostly because everytime I've gone in there the place is empty so damage done it seems.

Doesn't take a genious to see who the ***** on the site are, sadly a member of staff can't outright ban them from clan chat because they need to remain unbiased and fair.

So the best solution is for a normal member to step up and put there own into use. Banning known ***** from the get go and enforcing it with a 0 tolerance attitude. COURSE that in itself wouldn't be easy they'd need to be popular enough to have people support it, unbiased enough that they'd ban their friends and dedicated enough to keep the rules enforced n such.

Which is rare to find. I'd hang out in there though.

edit: Hell, no reason why the site can't support it thinking about it. Set up a handful of people to run it, like the SOTW. Vote em in or something.

They can run it, and if someones causing trouble they can vote on removing them. Majority vote wins. Sod the rules on here, put it down to if you act an idiot/cause trouble/whatever you risk getting removed. Clearly the old systems not working out anyway.

Just thinking out loud anywho.

Tim · **Posted:** May 9th, 2009, 12:45 pm

I was thinking that rsbandb should make an account called rsbandb, but sadly that name is taken, and then from Creepys suggestion why not use Brad's. I doubt most people will know about Brad's. Just have Brad look to see who is on the most for the people who aren't site staff or Dragon members and just make it act like Mike's. I like the idea of moving to a different CC and I will still go to whosoever chat you guys chose.

Tal Ormanda · **Posted:** May 9th, 2009, 2:21 pm

Why doesn't someone create a new account (SHANE) and use that instead of Mikes? Really isn't that hard to. This way changes can be made by someone who is around more.

Bellicosity · Runite~Mon Jul 07, 2007 3:04 pm.

Burnt Joint wrote:

Yes, usually when you somebody reports you you can see their last 60 seconds of conversation (or if they havent spoken within the last 60 seconds, 60 seconds prior of when they last spoke).

e.g

**********: Buying dfs 18m
**********: Buying dfs 18m
**********: Buying dfs 18m
Potatoreaper: rsbandb (dot).(()/\/\
**********: Buying dfs 18m
**********: Buying dfs 18m
**********: Buying dfs 18m

this does not work in clan chat scenarios. when clan chat is involved, only your messages appear. none of the other players who have spoken in clan chat at the time will have their messages shown. i believe that jagex does this purposefully.

clan chats are typically tightly knit groups, and you can remember who said what and tell who reported you if the evidence was there, or someone in the chat would know. if you find out who, most people would be highly biased against that person. reporting them for the smallest things, insulting them, excluding them, encouraging others to do the same, or on the lighter side, pressuring them to not report in the future. all of these would be bad things in jagex's eyes, so they don't just hide names, they don't show the chat at all. makes sense to me, but its just a hypothesis.

EDIT:
on the subject of multiple clanchats, shane's clanchat is also titled rsbandb, but is friends only. its not EVER used though.

i think rsbandb chat should be on a neutral zone. an account that belongs to nobody mutually owned by mike shane brad and the top ranking mods, thats the non-outsider clanchat. either for special occasions or safe haven for active members, whatever. mike and shane can free up their lists to just friends and people in rsbandb that they really are friends with, rather than include people like me that barely talk to them and haven't been on for a year. in theory, mike should never have any reason to kick shane or any other commander ranked players, so he'd be fine as a commander himself. same rules as the other one. anyone dragon+ ranked, anyone rune+, maybe adamant+ or 100+ posts friended. only difference is that non-friendeds wouldn't be able to join. so if people were uncomfortable because of randoms, they could go in there. or if there's no kickers available they could go there, rather than go to some other person's chat that nobody joining rsbandb chat after the move would know about.

there's lots of things that could be done in those regards. none of it is necessary though. retrospectively its like a cowardly fearful move more angled toward allowing a rule breaking environment ingame for those that are more trusted. really thats what teamspeak or irc is for. we do have a chat on this site last i checked, its just annoying to use since its not in-client. there are irc chats attached using special clients that could be used, but that requires advocating, or encouraging, the use of tools from external sites.

in the end, all that can be said is such: to potential rule breakers, try not to break the rules to avoid dealing with indifferent/rage/suckup reporters (people that report everyone regardless, report everyone if they're mad, report everyone thinking jagex will favor them), and to potential reporters, show some loyalty and don't report fellow clan members unless they're being disruptive in the process. i'll post a reporting guide a little later to impose my impressions upon all of you ;D

Shane · **Posted:** May 11th, 2009, 4:09 pm

I don't see what a new account will do. Eventually the problems will just creep over to the next one and the one after that and continue in this way. Another problem with that is that shared accounts aren't exactly allowed (see Jagex rules). It would be extremely contradictory to support the RS rules on the forums but for the site to break them by sharing an account for our clan chat. By the way, that is why we never ran a shared account from the start for clan chat.

And as for the whole "is around more" thing, that should have nothing to do with it. If there's ever a crisis in which an immediate ban is needed we can either kick multiple times or Mike is just a call away from me on the phone.

We never rule out anything. The reason we use clan chat is because it's just there. Any other chat (even TeamSpeak) we created was used for an initial honeymoon period then went dormant. We don't like the idea of creating something to have just a week use out of it. No additional chats will be added unless the existing facilities start being used more.

As always if there's a great deal of commotion going on and no one is present, check your friends list. If that doesn't work head on over to the forums and PM any Events Crew/Mod/Admin/Owner that is online. If not just send one of us a pm anyways and we'll get to it as soon as we can. Also remember screenshots! Without screenshots it's just your word against someone else's. Screenshots of the entire game window including what was said and who was in the chat at that time are the best.

Finally just be careful what you say. We can't control what gets back to Jagex in the end. If you are overly concerned, just use TeamSpeak. That can do text as well

Earth · **Posted:** May 11th, 2009, 4:16 pm

Shane wrote:

I don't see what a new account will do. Eventually the problems will just creep over to the next one and the one after that and continue in this way. Another problem with that is that shared accounts aren't exactly allowed (see Jagex rules). It would be extremely contradictory to support the RS rules on the forums but for the site to break them by sharing an account for our clan chat. By the way, that is why we never ran a shared account from the start for clan chat.

And as for the whole "is around more" thing, that should have nothing to do with it. If there's ever a crisis in which an immediate ban is needed we can either kick multiple times or Mike is just a call away from me on the phone.

We never rule out anything. The reason we use clan chat is because it's just there. Any other chat (even TeamSpeak) we created was used for an initial honeymoon period then went dormant. We don't like the idea of creating something to have just a week use out of it. No additional chats will be added unless the existing facilities start being used more.

As always if there's a great deal of commotion going on and no one is present, check your friends list. If that doesn't work head on over to the forums and PM any Events Crew/Mod/Admin/Owner that is online. If not just send one of us a pm anyways and we'll get to it as soon as we can. Also remember screenshots! Without screenshots it's just your word against someone else's. Screenshots of the entire game window including what was said and who was in the chat at that time are the best.

Finally just be careful what you say. We can't control what gets back to Jagex in the end. If you are overly concerned, just use TeamSpeak. That can do text as well

very well said,i agree with everything.nicely done shane! :wink:

Tal Ormanda · **Posted:** May 11th, 2009, 11:13 pm

Shane wrote:

I don't see what a new account will do. Eventually the problems will just creep over to the next one and the one after that and continue in this way. Another problem with that is that shared accounts aren't exactly allowed (see Jagex rules). It would be extremely contradictory to support the RS rules on the forums but for the site to break them by sharing an account for our clan chat. By the way, that is why we never ran a shared account from the start for clan chat.

And as for the whole "is around more" thing, that should have nothing to do with it. If there's ever a crisis in which an immediate ban is needed we can either kick multiple times or Mike is just a call away from me on the phone.

We never rule out anything. The reason we use clan chat is because it's just there. Any other chat (even TeamSpeak) we created was used for an initial honeymoon period then went dormant. We don't like the idea of creating something to have just a week use out of it. No additional chats will be added unless the existing facilities start being used more.

As always if there's a great deal of commotion going on and no one is present, check your friends list. If that doesn't work head on over to the forums and PM any Events Crew/Mod/Admin/Owner that is online. If not just send one of us a pm anyways and we'll get to it as soon as we can. Also remember screenshots! Without screenshots it's just your word against someone else's. Screenshots of the entire game window including what was said and who was in the chat at that time are the best.

Finally just be careful what you say. We can't control what gets back to Jagex in the end. If you are overly concerned, just use TeamSpeak. That can do text as well

I don't mean share it, have one person make it and use it. One person who is ACTIVE.

Chief Snake · **Posted:** May 12th, 2009, 2:08 am

Or you could just follow the RS rules and you'd be fine.

If you don't want to use the RSBANDB Clan Chat then make your own.

Shane · **Posted:** May 12th, 2009, 2:58 pm

Chief Snake wrote:

Or you could just follow the RS rules and you'd be fine.

If you don't want to use the RSBANDB Clan Chat then make your own.

That is true. Just remember that anything you guys use won't be classed as official and won't be supported by the administration.