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What did you vote?
Yes 32%  32%  [ 36 ]
Yes 32%  32%  [ 36 ]
No (even though there isnt a no option ;p) 18%  18%  [ 20 ]
No (even though there isnt a no option ;p) 18%  18%  [ 20 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Bringing back the old wild and free trade?
PostPosted: December 22nd, 2010, 12:38 pm 
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PostPosted: December 22nd, 2010, 1:03 pm 
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Just a guess but I suspect they are already planning to bring it back in some form and perhaps this is just a way to get the older players stirred up about the game again. The vote is a shame the way it's set up. It's only purpose is publicity.

Bets on how many players registered a vote using Zezima? 10k+ at least

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PostPosted: December 22nd, 2010, 1:50 pm 
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Pretty dumb that they just assume all the PvP they've put in is automatically inferior to the wildy in all ways..


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PostPosted: December 22nd, 2010, 1:59 pm 
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With the way the voting system is setup it kind of leads me to believe they will be bringing it back regardless. If it was actually based on legitimate votes then it should have been IP based or votes via player login. But nope, you can vote as many times as you please. There will be millions of votes no doubt. Wouldn't be surprised if it reaches close to 3 or 4 million by the end. But I have a strong feeling that they will be bringing it back, which is awesome!

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I have voted yes.

Thinking about it now, I'm not too sure if the revival of the old wilderness and free trade would mortally be a good idea. Not just because of RWT and botters. If anyone played RuneScape "back in the day", then you would clearly know how difficult it was to buy and sell items. Not to mention items were able to be sold for virtually anything.


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 Post subject: Re: Bringing back the old wild and free trade?
PostPosted: December 23rd, 2010, 2:58 am 
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i Want the old wildy back, but i am worried about things such as corp/clan wars/stealing creation/wilderness clues. will these be dealt with properly and upon release?

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PostPosted: December 23rd, 2010, 5:53 am 
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If there was just the option of voting to bring back free trade (but still with the trade balance calculator) then I would for that, it's just, I like the way the wilderness is now, I don't like PvP and I'd rather have specific worlds for it than have an area in every world.
I want to be able to kill green dragons, go to clan wars, go to stealing creation and do other things there in peace (with only the random revenant there to attack occasionally). I say, don't fix what isn't broken anymore (they fixed pvp with the specific worlds after breaking it by getting rid of the wilderness as we knew it).
I hated the old wilderness, and the risk that it always brought of a-holes attacking you while you're trying to kill green drags or going anywhere (wilderness agility course or corporeal beast for example). I personally only want free trade, not the old wilderness.

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 Post subject: Re: Bringing back the old wild and free trade?
PostPosted: December 23rd, 2010, 4:07 pm 
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i think there should be semi free trade judged by your combat level. so new players wouldn't get scammed so easily. say if you're level 100+ there's no trade limit and it goes down from there. i hate the quest point thing because a lot of people hate quests

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 Post subject: Re: Bringing back the old wild and free trade?
PostPosted: December 24th, 2010, 6:26 am 
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Two and a half years since I've played Runescape (and posted here) and I can safely say that this its no longer the game it was and jagex are no longer the company they were. Weapons and Armour have inflated to the point where a level 20 can probably kill blue dragons. The game economics favors the new system and in bringing back trade and wilderness, Jagex will have to reverse most updates made since 07.


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 Post subject: Re: Bringing back the old wild and free trade?
PostPosted: December 24th, 2010, 6:47 am 
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patrick wrote:
Two and a half years since I've played Runescape (and posted here) and I can safely say that this its no longer the game it was and jagex are no longer the company they were. Weapons and Armour have inflated to the point where a level 20 can probably kill blue dragons. The game economics favors the new system and in bringing back trade and wilderness, Jagex will have to reverse most updates made since 07.


Best comment made in this thread.

The changes they made buggered the game up for a good year. It took a years worth of updates to get it half right.

The system now isn't perfect but it works fine. Don't change it back. I don't want a broken game for a year again. I don't want to go back to having to watch out for pkers trying to kill me when I'm just running runes. It's griefing. Any other game would do it's best to cut that out.

If your insistant on bringing the wild back remove any reason for non-pkers to go there. TT, runecrafting being the main ones.

I've played a lot of MMO's over the years now and one thing they al lhave in common is the pvp is seperate from the pve. As it should be. It's not to everyones play style.

As for the trade. It's a hard one that. I wonder what becomes of the GE because frankly while a limit isn't perfect i love being able to dump **** on the GE and not care about it. I DO NOT want to log into world 2 and spend an hour spamming trying to get someone to buy something.

And i think that's what will happen. People wont go by GE prices they'll sell for what they want on world 2 instead. Bringing back the annoyance of it all.

Seriously leave it the **** alone. People remember the good and forget the bad. You can't just make a huge change to your game then flip it and do it again.

And as for Jagex being confident about the bot problem.

What a load of *******. Take it from someone who spent a couple of months fishing non-stop in the mineral caves. The amount of high level bots down there is a **** joke. Several had skill capes on. :roll:

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PostPosted: December 24th, 2010, 7:39 am 
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I voted by accident in the first poll, I voted yes in the login one though. Nothing like a bit of economical anarchy, and oldschool pking was great.


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PostPosted: December 24th, 2010, 9:43 am 
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Doing an official vote, check it out.

http://www.runescape.com/c=Dwb1LXFEcwU/referendum/vote

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PostPosted: December 24th, 2010, 10:21 am 
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It's a lost cause. The majority are too short sighted and will vote in the thousands for it's return.

My only victory will be being able to say "told you so" later on when things go **** up. :(

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PostPosted: December 24th, 2010, 11:21 am 
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Lol I already thought about how it'd probably suck but after reading Creepy's and patrick's posts I realize how happy I am with it currently compared to what it will probably be. XD

Anyways, given the points they make in the referendum about what will happen I'm not too ready to jump and vote. Especially about the wilderness. I don't like how non-pvpers are forced into settings with the possibility of being killed by a player (as Creepy mentioned).. and they don't seem certain about removing all of that from the wilderness. Also when they did remove the wilderness that brought in an opportunity to make a PvP aspect that exceeded what the wilderness was (well should have made it prior)... I can't really say whether that happened or not since I have very little interest in pvp especially if it involves risking, but I really think everyone who was still crying over the wilderness weren't PvPers but rather nostalgic people or players who enjoyed the novelty of 1 iteming with a dds once every 6 months and pretending that they were pking. What I think they have now is suitable to PvP why are they going to remove it if the wildy comes back..
Anyways when the wilderness was removed, some actual pkers quit because.. well, if you take away their favourite part of the game, what reason is there to continue playing? Anyways, since 2008, there have been many new players, and many who have probably tried PvP with the new ways and many who probably have enjoyed PvP the new way. Remove that pvp and replace with the wildy, you just assume that all forms of pvp are inferior to the wildy.. How do you know that new pker actually wants the wilderness instead? Sounds pretty selfish to replace their enjoyment with your 2006-nostalgia. I don't know why with the revival of the wilderness why they want to remove the PvPs that have come thinking the wilderness is 500X better.. honestly, there can't be both? Why don't you just take like 2 worlds and activate the free wilderness in them instead, after the first month I don't think it will be all that popular anyways.
And removing full world pvp I think is pretty dumb too, I don't know if anyone uses those worlds but I think it's a nice idea that you can kill people anywhere in RuneScape while they're doing anything? But I guess if no one uses it then w/e, to me I guess it is a novelty idea that I'll never use anyways. Stupidest thing about it is you can kill people who are training then go to a nonpvp world to train yourself. Shouldn't be able to have one without the other. Wait is that even in the game anymore? XD Shows how much I care
Also relocating the revs? If you're brining wildy back, remove them, ****. They're so annoying, that is punishing non-pvpers to give pvpers a simplistic form of pvp. Of course I rather a rev attack me than a pker, because a rev you can escape most of the time, but why would i want a rev attacking me somewhere else where I wouldn't have a pker attacking me in the first place...

The GE at least sounds like they are keeping a mid price thing though. Kind of worried that prices will go down down down when they put a price in for an item and it doesnt sell instant so they go lower and lower until it sells instant at a worthless price.


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Idk. There's pros and cons to allowing it back as it was. The questions are 1) Do the positives outweigh the negatives? and 2) Can Jagex really prevent RWT in mass? I myself think that free trade would be good for the game. Even if prices skyrocket or plummet, it will better match the actual supply and demand rather than Jagex regulating prices. I'd be much happier with less regulation of the prices. Anyway, this has potential to be a bad or good thing. I really think this is a coin flip. Either way, as long as Jagex implements their plans int he right way, there shouldn't be a problem. But as before, I'm sure Jagex will screw up again. I'd vote "No" if I was you guys.

Update: 89% of 231,000 users have voted "Yes" to bring back the wilderness and free trade. Only 8% have said "No" and 3% "Don't Care." I have a feeling how this ones going to turn out. :(

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