CHRISTmas

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** December 16th, 2009, 7:49 pm

Meh, Christmas has become more of a part of culture than a religious rite. Nobody really celebrates Labour Day, but they like getting a day off work.

Adbot · **Posted:** December 16th, 2009, 7:49 pm

ryan1 · **Posted:** December 16th, 2009, 10:47 pm

Actually, it was the Christians who stole the idea of a Winter holiday. People were celebrating around the Winter solstice long before Christianity came onto the scene.

Anywho, it's not important what you call it. What's important is enjoying the season. Have some eggnog and relax.

Fanaticism · **Posted:** December 17th, 2009, 1:12 pm

Christ has nothing to do with this holiday in my mind...
Let me list these two reasons...

1. Jesus' birthday is never mentioned in the bible, look for it I dare you.
2. Around the time of jesus being "Born", the pagans were the only people who really celebrated birthdays, and it continued for this for quite some time.

The Christians and Catholics actually stole the holiday from the pagans considering December 25th was celebrated as the birthday of the pagan gods Mithras, Attis, and Sol. (There may be a few more)

This is just my opinion =-P be mad if you wish...

While I do celebrate christmas for the sole reason of... It's a **** family holiday

But ending my statements, Christ has nothing to do with this holiday, praise the pagans!

Ryan · **Posted:** December 17th, 2009, 1:55 pm

Lord Zamorak wrote:

I have a question for Christians here. Do do anything at all related to Jesus' birth on Christmas day? Probably not. Do heathens? No, they don't. I don't see too much of a difference here.

I go to church at Christmas and Easter, jus' sayin'.

Steven wrote:

Just because you're an atheist doesn't mean you're condemned from Christmas. :roll:

That's like saying if you were an atheist that you couldn't celebrate your birthday.

lolwat. It is nothing like saying that, your own birthday is not a religious event. Christmas is.

Doesn't bother me if other religions celebrate Christmas, they're in a Christian country so I think its fair they get to celebrate just like everyone else.

Duke Juker · RSBandB Donor since 07/01/2010

I actually looked closer at this. Technically speaking, the Christians did steal the holiday from the pagans in a matter of speaking.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm

Though they may not have known Jesus birthday, the early Christians were trying hard to stop pagan practices and change them into having a different meanings. I won't extrapolate, but basically, the Christians took pagan holidays (holidays I'm sure no one today would find quite as festive) and assigned religious meaning to them in order to break the pagans of their "bad" habits. So while it was started by the pagans, it's hard to say that Christmas isn't about Jesus more so now, because that was the assigned intent of the early church fathers. And because religion is widespread, so followed the religious meaning of Chirstmas. Again, not that it's a huge issue. I just want to find the real meaning of Christmas. In the end, I think it depends on what the individual ascribes to the meaning of Christmas. It shouldn't matter if one person thinks it's about Jesus and another thinks it's about Santa Claus. For isn't it truly the thought that counts?

Iron Maiden · **Posted:** December 17th, 2009, 4:41 pm

Jesus is born in 4 Before Christ. lol fail.

Christmas doesn't releates to religion and jesus anymore. Tbh, Christmas is more about being with your family, sharing overexpensive gift and garbages and -trying- to be happy. Christmas is more commercial than anything else (Although Christmas will never be as much commercial as Valentine's Day XD)

Easter is more releated to Jesus tbh.

Adbot · **Posted:** December 17th, 2009, 4:41 pm

u s a c l · **Posted:** December 30th, 2009, 9:07 pm

but none of you people celebrate Kwanzaa.. which was the day after Christmas...just sayin

Phresh Phob · **Posted:** December 30th, 2009, 10:42 pm

My immediate and extended families are irreligious and we all celebrate Christmas. For us it's more about cherishing and showing gratitude towards each other. And yea, as stated above, I've heard that Christmas was created by Christians to cover up a Pagan holiday.

Kenny · **Posted:** December 31st, 2009, 2:54 am

Iron Maiden wrote:

Jesus is born in 4 Before Christ. lol fail.

Are you saying that Jesus came before Christ? If so I just lol'd so hard.

Dokter Bob · **Posted:** December 31st, 2009, 3:00 am

Iron Maiden wrote:

Easter is more releated to Jesus tbh.

How is His death more important than his birth?? wtf lol

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** December 31st, 2009, 3:57 am

Dokter Bob wrote:

Iron Maiden wrote:

Easter is more releated to Jesus tbh.

How is His death more important than his birth?? wtf lol

How is it not? You don't even know he was born then you just made that part up. At least it's confirmed he was nailed up at easter tho I'm not sure i buy the whole resurrection thing. Even if the idea of zombie jesus is pretty cool.

Actually I'm not even sure the bible says when he died I've never bothered to read it. I don't know whats fiction and whats fa...o right. LOL oh I'm joking lighten up Christians you don't see the Jews getting ***** at remarks about there noses.

That and i think coming back from the dead as a zombie is a **** sight more important than a baby being born. Nothing special happened when he was born he just cried a lot and some creepy men came and gave him gifts. Coming back to life? That's something worth remembering. IMO of course. Really though the 3 wise men should of just let him stay at there house/palace/camp/whatever cause he had no bed but clearly there hospitality didn't stretch that far.

That's a joke again.

My theory is Jesus died then the Easter bunny came, removed the bolder (why didn't they just burn him? that makes more sense than putting him in a cave..or bury him i dunno.) and gave him the kiss of life. I mean think about it..where does the easter bunny originate from? Nobody knows! People can explain where santa originated from but not hte easter bunny.

This fellow just hopped up out the earth (LOL) and started giving out chocolate willy nilly. Is there any mention of a giant walking rabbit in the bible? Perhaps..oh my god. What if the easter bunny IS jesus? Maybe he came back AS a bunny. It makes sense really the dude dies, comes back and suddenly we have easter and chocolate eggs are showing up everywhere?

Thats a point has anyone seen the easter bunny? Why would a bunny give you eggs? Wouldn't a chicken be better suited? The easter chicken? Maybe jesus came back as a chicken and someone mistook him for a bunny cause it was dark and late. Some people do believe you come back as another animal..I think we've just proven that.

We'd have not come to this startling conclusion without the death of jebus himself. I could not have put all this together from his birth alone and i think this proves that as a fact.

Now then wheres the popes email I'd like to discuss this further with him.

Chief Snake · **Posted:** December 31st, 2009, 5:06 am

... I think what Iron Maiden meant was that Easter has still retained some of its traditional meaning whereas that is generally disregarded when it comes to Christmas.

roger_pearse · **Posted:** December 31st, 2009, 6:03 am

peacekeeper0 wrote:

Christ has nothing to do with this holiday in my mind...
Let me list these two reasons...

1. Jesus' birthday is never mentioned in the bible, look for it I dare you.

So? The Christians decided to celebrate it on an arbitrary date. Obviously they can, if they want to! Quite how that shows "Christ has nothing to do with this holiday" you don't explain.

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2. Around the time of jesus being "Born", the pagans were the only people who really celebrated birthdays, and it continued for this for quite some time.

Some evidence for this curious claim would seem appropriate!

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The Christians and Catholics actually stole the holiday from the pagans

How do you 'steal' a holiday? Stick it under your coat?

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considering December 25th was celebrated as the birthday of the pagan gods Mithras, Attis, and Sol. (There may be a few more)

No ancient source records Dec. 25 being celebrated (by whom?) as the birthday of Attis or Mithras. Dec 25 was the winter solstice, so metaphorically it was the (re)birth of the sun, but then it isn't the rebirth of Jesus, is it?

These sorts of "facts" are widely circulated. But if you start checking, you'll shocked at how much rubbish there is on this subject.

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This is just my opinion =-P be mad if you wish...

Sure. The establishment don't mind anyone ***** on the Christians. Now if you were posting about Islam, you'd need to be scared. But Christians? Let 'em have it.

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While I do celebrate christmas for the sole reason of... It's a **** family holiday

Seems reasonable to me.

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But ending my statements, Christ has nothing to do with this holiday, praise the pagans!

Sure. We're going to celebrate it as Aztecs. Do come along; we need a volunteer...

Iron Maiden · **Posted:** December 31st, 2009, 9:59 am

I guarantee I will get banned someday. But I stil have my mind, for now.

@Kenny
Jesus Christ isn't born in Year 0, he was born in year -4. It means JC was born in -4 BC. Seems like you always challenge my knowledge nowdays.

@Bob
You haven't changed. You always want to prove me wrong.
Easter is by far more releated to religion since there's a plenty Jesus' movies on the Easter Holiday. You don't hear about Jesus in Christmas Time, it's much more about Santa and people being nicer.
Am I supposed to know why? No.

@Chief
Yes, it's a part of what I meant. Thanks for being about the only member who understands me.

Kenny · **Posted:** December 31st, 2009, 5:48 pm

Iron Maiden wrote:

I guarantee I will get banned someday. But I stil have my mind, for now.

@Kenny
Jesus Christ isn't born in Year 0, he was born in year -4. It means JC was born in -4 BC. Seems like you always challenge my knowledge nowdays.

What I was highlighting was that you appeared to say that Jesus and Christ were two different people. I'll challenge what I like tyvm.