Do you support homosexual?

jointntoday · **Posted:** December 29th, 2008, 4:29 pm

wow, PhoenixEmpire. im not going to go thru and quote everything you said that i dis-agree with but this stood out to me...

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[However, people like me find it emotionally and psychologically disturbing to see somebody being *** in public. It goes against my nature, and my beliefs.

you judging a whole group of people based on what they do in bed is against my beliefs, so can i ban you?
see, what im saying is just because YOU dont agree with something that doesnt harm you, (if it harms you "emotionally and psychologically" look away....) doest mean you are given the right to ban it.

you are no better or worse then a *** person, so what gives you the right to take away their rights?

Adbot · **Posted:** December 29th, 2008, 4:29 pm

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** December 29th, 2008, 4:35 pm

jointntoday wrote:

wow, PhoenixEmpire. im not going to go thru and quote everything you said that i dis-agree with but this stood out to me...

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[However, people like me find it emotionally and psychologically disturbing to see somebody being *** in public. It goes against my nature, and my beliefs.

you judging a whole group of people based on what they do in bed is against my beliefs, so can i ban you?
see, what im saying is just because YOU dont agree with something that doesnt harm you, (if it harms you "emotionally and psychologically" look away....) doest mean you are given the right to ban it.

you are no better or worse then a *** person, so what gives you the right to take away their rights?

Gays, in most modern countries, DO have rights. They have the rights to equality in the workplace, the right to have *** with their partner, the right to make medical decisions for their partner, to stipulate inheritances, etc etc etc. The great majority of people are simply objecting the rights to marry and adopt that is coveted by homosexuals. Citizens have the right to vote against behaviour they see as a detriment to their society and many have.

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** December 29th, 2008, 5:58 pm

Mushroom Queen wrote:

Common sense, Brad, should tell you that children need both masculine and feminine influence in order to be a well-rounded individual. Assume that there are near-equal instances of bad parenting on both homosexual and heterosexual sides. If that were the case, would you honestly assume that a male child brought up by two men would have the same view of females as one raised by straight parents? I'm not saying the male child would be ***, but would not having a mother make a negative impact on him? Yes, quite bluntly. Children who grow up in families with only one parent have this problem as well and it results in them growing up without the experience that many of their peers were lucky to have.

Alright, the only reason I'm replying to this is because it's not even about homosexuals. Children that grow up without a 'masculine' or 'feminine' role model can live normal lives. I grew up without a mom and it never affected me badly because a man can have a feminine side too you know, and vice versa with women. Humans are capable of modifying their behavior so they're not just 'masculine' or 'feminine'. Like when I first got my period and my dad had to step in and help me pick out tampons. It must have been very awkward for him, but he didn't show it, and helped me through it. I didn't feel like he was being 'masculine' then. I have no regrets that I didn't have a mother figure growing up. Sure, you may say I don't know what it's like so I can't make that decision, but I've been in society long enough to understand what it must have been like and have experienced mother figures through my grandmother, friend's moms, dad's girlfriend's etc.

I completely understand what you're saying though. Sure, it would be great if every adult was a responsible parent and every child had a mom and a dad. But the reality of it is that's never going to happen and people get through it without long lasting negative consequences.

tacoguy4 · **Posted:** December 29th, 2008, 6:01 pm

MQ you now any articles on the effects of being raised by a homosexual couple?

jointntoday · **Posted:** December 29th, 2008, 7:07 pm

Mushroom Queen wrote:

jointntoday wrote:

wow, PhoenixEmpire. im not going to go thru and quote everything you said that i dis-agree with but this stood out to me...

Quote:

[However, people like me find it emotionally and psychologically disturbing to see somebody being *** in public. It goes against my nature, and my beliefs.

you judging a whole group of people based on what they do in bed is against my beliefs, so can i ban you?
see, what im saying is just because YOU dont agree with something that doesnt harm you, (if it harms you "emotionally and psychologically" look away....) doest mean you are given the right to ban it.

you are no better or worse then a *** person, so what gives you the right to take away their rights?

Gays, in most modern countries, DO have rights. They have the rights to equality in the workplace, the right to have *** with their partner, the right to make medical decisions for their partner, to stipulate inheritances, etc etc etc. The great majority of people are simply objecting the rights to marry and adopt that is coveted by homosexuals. Citizens have the right to vote against behaviour they see as a detriment to their society and many have.

yes, but they dont have the right to marry and adopt...thats what i mean by their rights, i didnt say they are slaves with no rights what so ever...

Mushroom Queen wrote:

Brad wrote:

And on to the other side of this topic. I believe that peoples merits as potential parents should be judged by their character, and not their sexual orientation. There are most likely plenty of heterosexual couples who would make worse parents than a *** couple. And vice versa of course. I'm not saying every *** couple has a right to adopt or is suitable as a parent. But their potential as parents should be judged on their actions and character and not their sexuality.

Common sense, Brad, should tell you that children need both masculine and feminine influence in order to be a well-rounded individual.

i would like to see where the facts play in on this...because my 2 *** aunts raised 3 boys, 1 is in iraq right now and one spent 15 months there and 12 months in egypt, he now has a wife and lives in hawaii. if you ask me they turned out pretty **** good. the 3rd boy cant join due to health probs but wants to.

PhoenixEmpire · **Posted:** December 30th, 2008, 8:57 am

jointntoday wrote:

Mushroom Queen wrote:

Gays, in most modern countries, DO have rights. They have the rights to equality in the workplace, the right to have *** with their partner, the right to make medical decisions for their partner, to stipulate inheritances, etc etc etc. The great majority of people are simply objecting the rights to marry and adopt that is coveted by homosexuals. Citizens have the right to vote against behaviour they see as a detriment to their society and many have.

yes, but they dont have the right to marry and adopt...thats what i mean by their rights, i didnt say they are slaves with no rights what so ever...

Pretty sure they have the right to adopt. If a single person can adopt, then they can. Obviously...
There is no law or rule (that I know of, if you do then please post a link) that prohibits homosexuals from adopting.
Now, if you're referring to the increasing difficulty for non-married couples to adopt, then that's a different story. Millions of single people want to adopt and never can, because it takes years to get the papers through. Not to mention a lot of countries are stopping Adoptions all together (like guatamala, or was it Haiti?). So the adoptions thing is totally wrong.

As for marriage, the EXACT same rights (not word for word, but the only things that you can benefit from getting married) can be found in Civil Union. So tell me, why is marriage such a big fight? If two people are truly in love, then why get married to prove it? You don't need to get married to be in love, or to stay with each other, or to do anything else for that matter. If you want the rights that go with it, then get a civil union. However, I know of many un-married couples that are living happily. One of which just had their 30-year anniversary. So I don't see why there is such a fuss over marriage.

Adbot · **Posted:** December 30th, 2008, 8:57 am

Alex · **Posted:** December 30th, 2008, 10:16 am

Frankie Boyle wrote:

I would have loved to have a *** dad. Do you remember at school, there were always kids saying "My dad's bigger than your dad, my dad will batter your dad!"

"So what? My dad will shag your dad... And your dad will enjoy it.

So funny.

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** December 30th, 2008, 8:27 pm

Rotfl, Alex.

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Alright, the only reason I'm replying to this is because it's not even about homosexuals. Children that grow up without a 'masculine' or 'feminine' role model can live normal lives. I grew up without a mom and it never affected me badly because a man can have a feminine side too you know, and vice versa with women. Humans are capable of modifying their behavior so they're not just 'masculine' or 'feminine'. Like when I first got my period and my dad had to step in and help me pick out tampons. It must have been very awkward for him, but he didn't show it, and helped me through it. I didn't feel like he was being 'masculine' then. I have no regrets that I didn't have a mother figure growing up. Sure, you may say I don't know what it's like so I can't make that decision, but I've been in society long enough to understand what it must have been like and have experienced mother figures through my grandmother, friend's moms, dad's girlfriend's etc.

I'm not at all saying they cannot live normal lives, but do you really feel like your life could have been different with a mum around? That you could have had the experiences that other girls had with their own mothers? I'm sorry honestly that your parents are separated and I'm not saying that you don't have a feminine side (as I wouldn't know), but a mother and father do make an impact on childrens' lives, despite any sort of surveys, facts, or polls. I guess if I didn't have my mum, I'd have never learned a damned thing about cooking or any of the things she's taught me about being a "lady" (even though I was really a tomboy growing up). I'm not saying homosexuals are bad or they cannot be loving people, I'm saying that their parentage of a young one would deprive the child of certain experiences and lessons that can be gained from people of both sexes.

tacoguy4 · **Posted:** December 30th, 2008, 8:33 pm

seems better than not having anyone at all to me

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Chief Snake · **Posted:** December 30th, 2008, 9:27 pm

Mushroom Queen wrote:

I'm not at all saying they cannot live normal lives, but do you really feel like your life could have been different with a mum around? That you could have had the experiences that other girls had with their own mothers? I'm sorry honestly that your parents are separated and I'm not saying that you don't have a feminine side (as I wouldn't know), but a mother and father do make an impact on childrens' lives, despite any sort of surveys, facts, or polls. I guess if I didn't have my mum, I'd have never learned a damned thing about cooking or any of the things she's taught me about being a "lady" (even though I was really a tomboy growing up). I'm not saying homosexuals are bad or they cannot be loving people, I'm saying that their parentage of a young one would deprive the child of certain experiences and lessons that can be gained from people of both sexes.

Well that's it then isn't it? Living with two same-sex parents would be comparable to living with only one parent. You're saying that there's nothing you can do about the latter but the first can be prevented?
It's interesting because I agree that children's lives are impacted hugely by their parents, so as you said, living with only one parent would make a huge difference, the effects generally being adverse. Similarly with a same-sex couple as parents, children would be missing out, but it's not like it's anything new. I think the point being made by others if not just Veggie Eater (kind of skipped over some posts) is that there are so many other issues with parenting in the world that this subject pales in significance. I think homosexual parents would make far better parents than many, regardless of the impact they may have on their children.

In any case, in a world where we have freedom of both religion and sexuality, being raised under the influence of homosexual parents isn't all too different to being raised by religious parents.

Aquw VettelS 776 · **Posted:** December 31st, 2008, 1:22 pm

Firstly I'd like to say that I am not religeous in any way, shape or form.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with homosexuality, and I fail to see how it effects anyone else. If someone's religeon dictates to them that homosexuality is bad, that frankly, is tough. If someone wants to be ***, let them- it doesn't affect anyone else, and we shouldn't try to make it our business either.

Having said that, I don't think homosexuality was "meant to be". Whilst I see nothing wrong with it, I don't think homosexuality is natural- we are afterall made to reproduce through heterosexual intercourse. This is why I do not think that a pair of homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children.

To Chief Snake:

No, I don't think being raised by a same-sex couple is the same as being raised by a single person (of either ***). It is perfectly natural to be raised by a single parent, eeven outside of the human race. This is totally different to being raised by a same-sex couple.

It's not that I think homosexuality "can be passed on", for want of a better phrase, but the fact is that, as I said above, homosexuality is not natural and nobody should be exposed to it against their will- i.e. being raised by homosexuals.

Also, being raised by homosexual parents is very different from being raised by religeuos parents. As I said, I am not religeous and do not agree with it. However, there is nothing wrong with being raised with it around you, so long as it's not forced on you. Religeon is simply a belief- homosexuality is much more than that- call it what you want, the two are different.