To all the Atheists

Simmy · **Posted:** September 16th, 2008, 6:10 pm

I am not an athiest, but I can argue this.
The point of science is to argue things and see the truth be brought to mankind. Basically, people want to debate and argue a point, because the current 'scientific proof' states not. Of course with our CURRENT SCIENCE it may debate the existence of a god, but why not in a near future that the science show different?

What I am saying is:
Why not base scientific fact on how there could BE A GOD? And how could it be that things like this happen? Why could there not be a god, but still have some presence of one?

Personally I think that we are all one thinker, thus showing that we all believe in something. If you believe in a god, then in your sight, there is a god, because we are the imagination of ourselves as life is just a dream and there is no such thing as death.

If you need it in idiot, Pm me.
-Simmy

Adbot · **Posted:** September 16th, 2008, 6:10 pm

Yazackie90 · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 4:06 am

Rune Beast0 wrote:

what created god?

No one created god. He was always there.

Brad · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 4:13 am

So if you can believe that god was always there, why is it so impossible to believe that the chemicals that started off the big bang had always been there?

Ranging God · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 5:36 am

Brad wrote:

So if you can believe that god was always there, why is it so impossible to believe that the chemicals that started off the big bang had always been there?

Because chemicals are matter, God isnt matter.

Brad · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 6:03 am

Ranging God wrote:

Brad wrote:

So if you can believe that god was always there, why is it so impossible to believe that the chemicals that started off the big bang had always been there?

Because chemicals are matter, God isnt matter.

So what did god make matter out of then? Assuming before he created it there was no matter.

Ranging God · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 7:58 am

Brad wrote:

Ranging God wrote:

Brad wrote:

So if you can believe that god was always there, why is it so impossible to believe that the chemicals that started off the big bang had always been there?

Because chemicals are matter, God isnt matter.

So what did god make matter out of then? Assuming before he created it there was no matter.

Well, if you belive in God, then he just "made" matter I suppose. See, it is ok for us to belive that God just made matter, because we belive he is all powerful. But since you belive int eh Big bang thats why it doesnt seam possible.

Adbot · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 7:58 am

Brad · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 8:04 am

So both creationism and the big bang are both as implausible as each other considering both of them required for something to have come from nothing.. unless we choose to believe there was always 'something'. But there is extra evidence to support both the big bang and evolution and we can fully explain and rationalize why we are here. So why choose to believe some invisible unknown made us all from nothing? The devil trying to test our faith? Ha.

Ranging God · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 8:07 am

Brad wrote:

So both creationism and the big bang are both as implausible as each other considering both of them required for something to have come from nothing.. unless we choose to believe there was always 'something'. But there is extra evidence to support both the big bang and evolution and we can fully explain and rationalize why we are here. So why choose to believe some invisible unknown made us all from nothing? The devil trying to test our faith? Ha.

Why belive that matter just popped out of no where? You dont have extra evidence. All you have is a theory that can NEVER be proven, christains ont eh toher hand have evidence, the bible, and religiouse artifacts, like saints that are over 300 years old and have not began to decay, along with the Noahs arch in the mountains in Turkey. Also when we die, that is the unlt. evidence.

Edit: also, what is your consince? That is something more than thinking, and the use of your brain.

Dokter Bob · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 8:13 am

Ranging God wrote:

Brad wrote:

So both creationism and the big bang are both as implausible as each other considering both of them required for something to have come from nothing.. unless we choose to believe there was always 'something'. But there is extra evidence to support both the big bang and evolution and we can fully explain and rationalize why we are here. So why choose to believe some invisible unknown made us all from nothing? The devil trying to test our faith? Ha.

Why belive that matter just popped out of no where? You dont have extra evidence. All you have is a theory that can NEVER be proven, christains ont eh toher hand have evidence, the bible, and religiouse artifacts, like saints that are over 300 years old and have not began to decay, along with the Noahs arch in the mountains in Turkey. Also when we die, that is the unlt. evidence.

Edit: also, what is your consince? That is something more than thinking, and the use of your brain.

I don't understand how you're a Christian, I mean, looking at your signature...

Huh?

Yazackie90 · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 11:44 am

Dokter Bob wrote:

Ranging God wrote:

Brad wrote:

So both creationism and the big bang are both as implausible as each other considering both of them required for something to have come from nothing.. unless we choose to believe there was always 'something'. But there is extra evidence to support both the big bang and evolution and we can fully explain and rationalize why we are here. So why choose to believe some invisible unknown made us all from nothing? The devil trying to test our faith? Ha.

Why belive that matter just popped out of no where? You dont have extra evidence. All you have is a theory that can NEVER be proven, christains ont eh toher hand have evidence, the bible, and religiouse artifacts, like saints that are over 300 years old and have not began to decay, along with the Noahs arch in the mountains in Turkey. Also when we die, that is the unlt. evidence.

Edit: also, what is your consince? That is something more than thinking, and the use of your brain.

I don't understand how you're a Christian, I mean, looking at your signature...

Huh?

He means: "What if everyone believed in one religion,so that this word never existed?", and 9/11 wasn't a cause of religion.

zvono · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 11:49 am

Well I believe its all just pure coincidence.

But I get so scared when I think of death.... I mean... Do I only disappear? Are my eyes closed forever and I don't see anything. The brain is dead, you can't think, I just can't think of it, what happens to me? Do I disappear...? I just lie there... And do nothing...

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 12:23 pm

Ranging God wrote:

Why belive that matter just popped out of no where? You dont have extra evidence. All you have is a theory that can NEVER be proven, christains ont eh toher hand have evidence, the bible, and religiouse artifacts, like saints that are over 300 years old and have not began to decay, along with the Noahs arch in the mountains in Turkey. Also when we die, that is the unlt. evidence.

Edit: also, what is your consince? That is something more than thinking, and the use of your brain.

Okay, I'm sorry, but for you to say the bible and religious artifacts are evidence that there is a God is hilarious to me.

The Bible was written by men who believed in what Jesus said. The funny thing is, many religions started back then. How come there are not major religions that are formed in today's world? Because if a girl claimed she was pregnant by God, a simple DNA test could prove her wrong. If a man started claiming he was God's son now, no one would believe him! Because now we have technology that can prove people like that wrong.

People started believing in religion because their lives were awful and they wanted something to look forward to after they died. They didn't know how to explain how they got here, how the earth was formed, etc, and now that we do have explanations, everyone is too brainwashed to actually rely on common sense.

Slimppu · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 12:34 pm

zvono wrote:

Well I believe its all just pure coincidence.

But I get so scared when I think of death.... I mean... Do I only disappear? Are my eyes closed forever and I don't see anything. The brain is dead, you can't think, I just can't think of it, what happens to me? Do I disappear...? I just lie there... And do nothing...

Well, you wouldn't be able to think about it, as you would no longer exist.

So either way, it wouldn't matter what happened to you as you wouldn't be able observe it.

Yazackie90 · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 3:45 pm

Veggie Eater wrote:

People started believing in religion because their lives were awful and they wanted something to look forward to after they died. They didn't know how to explain how they got here, how the earth was formed, etc, and now that we do have explanations, everyone is too brainwashed to actually rely on common sense.

I find this hilarious.

No one here has breached the point of realization that God can understand way more than us puny humans. People think their smarter than all those brainwashed religious people, but we have a comeback.

God is smarter than you.

addiv · **Posted:** September 17th, 2008, 4:11 pm

This is an argument of emotion that neither side will win.

If you believe in God you won't be swayed by evidence to the contrary or contradiction in religious dogma. Faith is central to all arguments and facts are not required. If you don't believe in God then you're trying to argue the side of logic and will never sway anyone bound by faith.

I personally don't care what anyone believes as long as what they believe isn't shoved in my face and doesn't hurt anyone else. I don't want religion in my politics or politics in my religion. Its like mixing oil and water.