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 Post subject: To all the Atheists
PostPosted: September 12th, 2008, 5:35 pm 
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Since ya dont believe in God, or a God(s) How do you believe we got here and do you think there is a reason we are here? Also what happens when we die?

(and I am not one sided, I was a Atheists for many years)

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 Post subject: Re: To all the Atheists
PostPosted: September 12th, 2008, 6:25 pm 
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I just believe that the universe is a random combination of matter and we're all here purely by chance. When you die I believe that you just..die. When a cell dies it doesn't go anywhere it just dies. That's what happens when you die but of course no one really knows beyon theory since you can't just kill yourself and see because if you do go somewhere else you'd have no way of contacting the scientific community and if you do simply just die you'd be dead so..

We got here from the big bang which I can't really explain since I'm not a scientist but life evolved by random mutations withen cells.

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PostPosted: September 12th, 2008, 7:04 pm 
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1. How we got here?
Well for this one it starts off with the big bang. Then from here you get galaxies then stars and planets. The LHC as discussed in other topics will tell us what happened in the seconds following t=0. The universe is still expanding and will probably continue to do so for a long time. I've heard of some theories that say eventually it will collapse in on itself and then start over, each time it does that it's re-created with a new set of parameters. Other theories involve multiple universes, but this is straying into physics :P

As for stars, they all start out as nebulae. From there the nebula starts to collapse in on itself creating a star and leaves a ring of debris around it. From there the debris starts to collect together. forming rocks, then planetesimals, then planets. The planets then clear their orbit of debris. It's thought that Earth was once like Venus, however not as hot. So therefore we don't have the runaway greenhouse effect that Venus has. All the planets were primarily composed of Hydrogen, but as you know as a molecule gets hotter it's really moving faster, so the inner planet's Hydrogen atoms were blown away into space. The Jovian planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune) have been able to keep their Hydrogen atmospheres because it is much cooler in that section of the solar system. That's how planets and stars are formed.

As for life on planets, it started in the ocean. There's a whole sequence of events that happened here but in a nutshell it started with ameno-acids that were on earth or were brought here by a collision of another planetary body in Earth's existence. From there single celled lifeforms, then algae, then plants, etc... evolution takes its course here.

Now you say, why only here? Chances are it has happened in other solar systems but we can't see it. Our imaging techniques aren't that great. We've only discovered 150+ extra-solar planets and most of these are gas giants detected by the pull they exert on their parent star. A smaller planets pull isn't noticeable from this far away.

If you're interested in more of the star/solar system story I recommend taking a course at your local college that covers basic astronomy. If you want to know more about the universe take one on that as well. Finally for extra-dimensions and the whole what happened at t=0 astrophysics should be your major :P

2. Reason why?
- Explained above. There are theories as to how the variables worked and that every time there's a big bang the variables may be different. For example in other universes the Hydrogen atom may not be able to support it's own weight.

3. Death?
Death is as it is, the ceasing of life. Nothing after.

We've also journeyed into topics like this on various Update episodes most notably being Uncorked. (132?)

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 Post subject: Re: To all the Atheists
PostPosted: September 12th, 2008, 7:59 pm 
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yeah i guess its the big bang

im not like into religion big time either...

i would like to belive that we are reincarnated as another human when we die..(im not buddist)

we all gotta hope for somehing dont we?

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Shane made a really good scientific explanation on the matter.
I also believe in the Big Bang theory, evolution and so forth.
That covers how and why we got here.
It's all science; not because we had a 'reason' to be here.

And for death? I'm not sure.
I think heaven is a nice and convenient thought. It gave people something to look forward to a while back because their lives were horrible. I also think it's just unrealistic.

Sometimes I believe in reincarnation. I guess it's because everyone has so much energy in them, and when you die, where does all the energy go? I think it contributes to something, maybe recycling into a new life, or just wafting along the atmosphere.
Maybe all our energy combines to form stars. [Now I'm just toying around with different ideas]

Basically, I'm not sure. No one knows, and I'm not one to believe in something without reason or proof. It's fun to come up with different ideas though.


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 Post subject: Re: To all the Atheists
PostPosted: September 14th, 2008, 10:46 am 
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I dont know what to think I dont think im athiest but I dont think it could be possible for a heaven sometimes...


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 Post subject: Re: To all the Atheists
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I think we're here by pure chance and we have no real purpose in our lives. Not to say our lives are meaningless as such though. We do what we want with our lives. We're not here to perform a specific task or duty. I don't see why people can argue that view is 'depressing' I'd rather have my life as an open canvas and know I'm able to do with it as I please than be told I must perform a specific duty in my life. That sounds a lot more depressing to me. I used to go along with the whole 'we're here to reproduce' thing. But I don't believe we are here to reproduce anymore, we're just here because we are able to reproduce.

And when you die? Well I just think it's all over then. Nothing more. You just cease to exist.

Yeah, I pretty much see most stuff as black and white.

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 Post subject: Re: To all the Atheists
PostPosted: September 14th, 2008, 11:37 am 
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I kinda agree with you :?
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I think we're here by pure chance and we have no real purpose in our lives. Not to say our lives are meaningless as such though. We do what we want with our lives. We're not here to perform a specific task or duty. I don't see why people can argue that view is 'depressing' I'd rather have my life as an open canvas and know I'm able to do with it as I please than be told I must perform a specific duty in my life. That sounds a lot more depressing to me. I used to go along with the whole 'we're here to reproduce' thing. But I don't believe we are here to reproduce anymore, we're just here because we are able to reproduce.

And when you die? Well I just think it's all over then. Nothing more. You just cease to exist.

Yeah, I pretty much see most stuff as black and white.


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 Post subject: Re: To all the Atheists
PostPosted: September 14th, 2008, 10:25 pm 
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I agree with Shane and Brad, it's all coincidence .

When you die, you just stop being... Kinda depressing when you look at it, but yeah.

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If the big bang/god created us, what created the them? That question is why I have no answer to this. :?


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I believe that we came about by something that involved science. Whether it's the big bang or not isn't really of importance.

And on the issue of what happens when you die. You just .. cease to exist. Theres nothing else to it for me, until shown otherwise.

I only believe things that are proven to me, hence following science. The whole concept of religion is flawed to me from ground up as it's based on superstition, and word of mouth.

Edit - And in response to the guy above me, as I think the LHC has proved (is proving?) the big bang was created by .. chance I guess from a proton being fired into an atom (it is an atom isn't it?)


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 Post subject: Re: To all the Atheists
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Red Spear1 wrote:
I believe that we came about by something that involved science. Whether it's the big bang or not isn't really of importance.

And on the issue of what happens when you die. You just .. cease to exist. Theres nothing else to it for me, until shown otherwise.

I only believe things that are proven to me, hence following science. The whole concept of religion is flawed to me from ground up as it's based on superstition, and word of mouth.

Edit - And in response to the guy above me, as I think the LHC has proved (is proving?) the big bang was created by .. chance I guess from a proton being fired into an atom (it is an atom isn't it?)


Where'd the proton and the atom come from?


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 Post subject: Re: To all the Atheists
PostPosted: September 16th, 2008, 11:10 am 
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Fair enough I guess. I don't have an answer for that one :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: To all the Atheists
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Red Spear1 wrote:
Fair enough I guess. I don't have an answer for that one :oops:

Exactly. It had to start somewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: To all the Atheists
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To all you guys talking about what created the protons/etc., what created god?

I personally don't believe in God because the thought of it seems too unreal. Not to mention that many religious manuscripts are conflicting with scientific proof.

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