10 December 2007 - RuneScape vs Real-world Trading

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 4:57 am

Jagex wrote:

10 December 2007 - RuneScape vs Real-world Trading
This week sees the release of a unique Development Diary. Our previous diaries have either been based on a single update (Impetuous Impulses, Summoning) or a team that works on RuneScape (Content, Graphics, Audio). Now, we are looking in-depth at a serious challenge that we have been faced with, and that challenge is real-world trading.

You may have heard us talking about real-world trading and its related parts - bots, auto-shoppers, gold farmers, gold sellers - in previous newsposts and even Forum threads. You may not know, however, what these terms mean, how they threaten the evolution of RuneScape and why we must remove them. In this Diary, we explain why real-world trading is an issue that must be solved, what we have done about it in the past, and what we aim to do in the future.

Head to the Development Diary: RuneScape vs Real-World Trading to read more.

Adbot · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 4:57 am

Pfkninenines · Global Moderator 12/4/08

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During 2007, so far, we've banned over 525 billion, which has a real-world value of over $2.6 million US - that's an increase of over 250%. At that rate of growth, we'd be looking at banning over 8 trillion gp in 2010 - that's 8,000 billion gp - which has a real-world value of over $40 million US. It's an almost unbelievably high number, but it hammers home the sheer size of the problem we are facing and why we have to take action against it.

Uhm...Why aren't they just selling this stuff black market... Whatever :roll:

If Jagex continued to do what they were doing, we wouldn't see an increase in macroers..We'd see the decrease in macroers willing to deal with Jagex. What Jagex doesn't understand is that they are frustrating more than just the gold farmers - They are angering the honest players, and those players will be (and are currently) rebelling against these recent changes.

I understand why bots/gold farmers are such a big deal, but other countermeasures could be taken to stop them. Preferably something less harmful to every other player in RS.

Christopher · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 6:45 am

Pfkninenines wrote:

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During 2007, so far, we've banned over 525 billion, which has a real-world value of over $2.6 million US - that's an increase of over 250%. At that rate of growth, we'd be looking at banning over 8 trillion gp in 2010 - that's 8,000 billion gp - which has a real-world value of over $40 million US. It's an almost unbelievably high number, but it hammers home the sheer size of the problem we are facing and why we have to take action against it.

Uhm...Why aren't they just selling this stuff black market... Whatever :roll:

If Jagex continued to do what they were doing, we wouldn't see an increase in macroers..We'd see the decrease in macroers willing to deal with Jagex. What Jagex doesn't understand is that they are frustrating more than just the gold farmers - They are angering the honest players, and those players will be (and are currently) rebelling against these recent changes.

I understand why bots/gold farmers are such a big deal, but other countermeasures could be taken to stop them. Preferably something less harmful to every other player in RS.

What they are saying is there are no options left, they considered all options and did the math...rs is becoming a joke. Dier measures have to be taken...otherwise the game will die...that is the people running it telling you this.

5/5 for jagex. After this update, I understand that they really care about keeping the game going and understand how to get rid of macroers and people that ruin the game.

BTW if they sold it on the black market it would cause major inflation in the game. That would just further the carnage.

hummerwar921 · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 8:43 am

Runescape against RWT my butt.

>.>

xOhYax · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 8:46 am

hummerwar921 wrote:

Runescape against RWT my butt.

>.>

yup

Shwa · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 9:25 am

xOhYax wrote:

hummerwar921 wrote:

Runescape against RWT my butt.

>.>

yup

agreed

Adbot · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 9:25 am

Southrend · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 10:29 am

Quit the one word posting. Both of you know it's against the rules.

As for the update(s) from today. I've to say they killed Macroers. They got absolutely no use anymore in this game. There's not going to be a single way to transfer money between accounts.

Some prices will skyrocket. I bet 90% of the dragon bones come from macroers. I think I'll go buy some now as investment.

Red Spear1 · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 10:46 am

About time they started to stop this stuff really.

It's been going on far too long. (rl trading, autoers)

It's about time that they really cracked down on it and just handed out the bans really, and stopped banning people for needless things :\

Big Karliny · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 12:43 pm

Yea about time to stop em but they where able to stop em at begining so they wont need to do such dramatical changes to the game thats me opinion(i know i post lots post today i am just angry of these updates. why i playing for 3 years no rules breaked and ect have to suffer for some childs parents has cahs in pocket and these kids just cant make theyr own gp in rs?)

and i know i am making lots of mistakes i am far to angry coz of wilderness ruin
Peace,Paul...

colinsoccer123 · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 2:08 pm

good job jagex, I know this is a costumer relations ploy to say you're doing the best that you can and that you can try to calm down the angry people that are scared of change but this shows us that you're actually doing something against rwt.
I'd say that real world trading is now gone.

Al3X · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 3:02 pm

Pfkninenines wrote:

Quote:

During 2007, so far, we've banned over 525 billion, which has a real-world value of over $2.6 million US - that's an increase of over 250%. At that rate of growth, we'd be looking at banning over 8 trillion gp in 2010 - that's 8,000 billion gp - which has a real-world value of over $40 million US. It's an almost unbelievably high number, but it hammers home the sheer size of the problem we are facing and why we have to take action against it.

Uhm...Why aren't they just selling this stuff black market... Whatever :roll:

If Jagex continued to do what they were doing, we wouldn't see an increase in macroers..We'd see the decrease in macroers willing to deal with Jagex. What Jagex doesn't understand is that they are frustrating more than just the gold farmers - They are angering the honest players, and those players will be (and are currently) rebelling against these recent changes.

I understand why bots/gold farmers are such a big deal, but other countermeasures could be taken to stop them. Preferably something less harmful to every other player in RS.

very good point.

i think they need to do ip bans not just account bans. kill the source not the account. and as on the podcast a while back, rotate tut island to slow down auto account creators. or post a j mod at commonly macroed sites at random times.

Christopher · **Posted:** December 10th, 2007, 9:20 pm

Al3X wrote:

Pfkninenines wrote:

Quote:

During 2007, so far, we've banned over 525 billion, which has a real-world value of over $2.6 million US - that's an increase of over 250%. At that rate of growth, we'd be looking at banning over 8 trillion gp in 2010 - that's 8,000 billion gp - which has a real-world value of over $40 million US. It's an almost unbelievably high number, but it hammers home the sheer size of the problem we are facing and why we have to take action against it.

Uhm...Why aren't they just selling this stuff black market... Whatever :roll:

If Jagex continued to do what they were doing, we wouldn't see an increase in macroers..We'd see the decrease in macroers willing to deal with Jagex. What Jagex doesn't understand is that they are frustrating more than just the gold farmers - They are angering the honest players, and those players will be (and are currently) rebelling against these recent changes.

Also, remember that every member of staff that they post somewhere doing something has to get paid...it is a job...if jagex has to post 150 J mods around the web...trying to stop RWT...that is cash taken away from feature additions and the like, and from RS in general, which is not fair to them because they get charged twice for something that is already illegal.

I understand why bots/gold farmers are such a big deal, but other countermeasures could be taken to stop them. Preferably something less harmful to every other player in RS.

very good point.

i think they need to do ip bans not just account bans. kill the source not the account. and as on the podcast a while back, rotate tut island to slow down auto account creators. or post a j mod at commonly macroed sites at random times.

As they noted there is no way they can keep up with the accounts by banning. You know as well as I do that IP addresses are cake to change. If they banned MAC addresses that would be something different, but they don't have access to those. There plan of attack is instead to give gold traders/macroers no reason to play...because they can't make money...that is the only true solution to the problem...you've seen it they've tried everything else. I think that something else to note is that none of these changes are final. So maybe they can come up with some a way to put pking back in or other things that have been taken out. But for now their solution is to stop all RWT...which this will do...I guarantee it.

Tal Ormanda · **Posted:** December 13th, 2007, 9:45 pm

No more crazy prices I suppose.