permanent mute worse than a ban? solution!

Warren · **Posted:** September 19th, 2007, 4:37 pm

Well if you deserved the mute you shouldn't be allowed to talk to friends.

TBH, I would rather of been permanently muted instead of banned.

Though, I also don't exactly agree with permanent punishments for some things. For autotyping advertising a gold selling site, yeah, that should be permanent. For when they do permanent bans/mutes now, it should be a 3 month ban/mute. Then if you come back and somehow break the rules for what they would give a permanent ban/mute it would be a 6 month punishment. And if you somehow do it after your third chance, then its a permanent punishment and no chance to appeal.

Adbot · **Posted:** September 19th, 2007, 4:37 pm

Pfkninenines · Global Moderator 12/4/08

This is a touchy subject, one that doesn't mean you have to be banned/muted to agree with. If muted people are allowed to go around being muted, then they aren't really muted..They're simply silenced. Having someone muted talk, even if it was a special circumstance, doesn't fit the punishment.

If you're muted, you're muted. Simple as that. I'm not saying that it's something great to have happen, but guess what - that's what a punishment is. A punishment.

Jagex doesn't want every perm muted person to quit, they want them to learn a lesson. If you want to play a game, where you already agreed to follow the rules - you better follow those rules, and accept any consequences brought to you. If you are good elsewhere in the game, with reporting people, and even talking on the forums, you could still potentially get your mute taken away (it happened to a friend of mine..A Jagex mod popped up next to him, and removed the mute

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Christopher · **Posted:** September 19th, 2007, 5:32 pm

I'd rather be muted. I've heard of perm muted people being unmuted after a year or two of play (sometimes 6 months). I think Jagex keeps tabs on some of the higher accounts and if the person continues to play and keeps their nose clean...then they might give the person a second chance.

My only problem with Jagex is they don't perm mute/ban on a sliding scale. I mean who's account is worth more the level 1750 with dragon everything and all the quests done or a level 500 who has been playing for two months and just stated. See if you have put that much effort into and account you should be offered some leeway. A week or two suspense with the non-refundability of your membership is plenty of a deterrent for a higher player who has lots to lose. A level 500 for the same offense would probably receive a permanent ban because their account is worth less and the suspense wouldn't have the desired effect. All I'm saying is those that have played longer and have put in more time should not receive an instant perm ban or mute...that just seems like a good way of lossing customers and good players (especially over a mistake).

ryan1 · **Posted:** September 19th, 2007, 6:52 pm

Pfkninenines wrote:

Jagex doesn't want every perm muted person to quit, they want them to learn a lesson.

But it's not much of a lesson when it's permanent is it? It's like throwing someone in jail for life for petty theft

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Alex 43 · **Posted:** September 21st, 2007, 12:01 pm

I was once muted for something that wasn't my fault, and if anything, I felt it was somewhat unfair that I couldn't even trade people properly.

I will agree with this. Any friend of someone that causes himself to be muted must be the same way. Perhaps it should even be a separate class, like Partial-Muting, depending on how the rule was broken.

Zachy · **Posted:** September 21st, 2007, 1:24 pm

The problem is, your friend probably got the perma-mute by doing something that was completely stupid and blatantly against the rules; in short, he disregarded Jagex's warning. Just like "real life", when you disregard a warning, you usually end up getting punished. If you're going to compare Runescape with real life...then pair up breaking the rules with breaking the law.
Therefore:
Permenant Ban = death sentence,
and
Permenant Mute = let's say, jail for life.

Should a criminal be given the opportunity to walk around outside of the jail, because being in jail just "isn't fair"?
Of course it's fair that the criminal is behind bars, I'm sure you can agree.
Why? Because he did something stupid: broke the law.
Personally, I can't think of one reason to grant him amnesty for being an idiot.

The same goes with your friend.
Sorry. :]

Adbot · **Posted:** September 21st, 2007, 1:24 pm

Jaden · **Posted:** September 21st, 2007, 1:49 pm

Zachy wrote:

The problem is, your friend probably got the perma-mute by doing something that was completely stupid and blatantly against the rules; in short, he disregarded Jagex's warning. Just like "real life", when you disregard a warning, you usually end up getting punished. If you're going to compare Runescape with real life...then pair up breaking the rules with breaking the law.
Therefore:
Permenant Ban = death sentence,
and
Permenant Mute = let's say, jail for life.

Should a criminal be given the opportunity to walk around outside of the jail, because being in jail just "isn't fair"?
Of course it's fair that the criminal is behind bars, I'm sure you can agree.
Why? Because he did something stupid: broke the law.
Personally, I can't think of one reason to grant him amnesty for being an idiot.

The same goes with your friend.
Sorry. :]

There is a such thing called parole. After a certain period of time, if he kept a good behavior, maybe they could let him on parole (un-mute him) under the supervision of Jagex.

Bellicosity · Runite~Mon Jul 07, 2007 3:04 pm.

Zachy wrote:

The problem is, your friend probably got the perma-mute by doing something that was completely stupid and blatantly against the rules; in short, he disregarded Jagex's warning. Just like "real life", when you disregard a warning, you usually end up getting punished. If you're going to compare Runescape with real life...then pair up breaking the rules with breaking the law.
Therefore:
Permenant Ban = death sentence,
and
Permenant Mute = let's say, jail for life.

Should a criminal be given the opportunity to walk around outside of the jail, because being in jail just "isn't fair"?
Of course it's fair that the criminal is behind bars, I'm sure you can agree.
Why? Because he did something stupid: broke the law.
Personally, I can't think of one reason to grant him amnesty for being an idiot.

The same goes with your friend.
Sorry. :]

a permanent mute is more like life sentence with full solitary confinement... you never get out of that.

and in real life do they wait to try you for a case until you have 10 or so built up against you then spring them on you? no. my friend deserved it, but I'd never heard him say anything inappropriate to me, or in my presence. it was an error on the part of the delay it takes from report to listed offense. would you find it plausible that had he received them in order within a few days of the offense that he might have been more cautious and obeyed more of the rules? i think so.

and if you were to compare muting with prison, in prison you get phone calls to people, and can talk to other inmates, so its far less difficult to maintain a healthy life in prison than it is permanently muted.

Christopher · **Posted:** September 21st, 2007, 3:49 pm

Jaden wrote:

Zachy wrote:

The problem is, your friend probably got the perma-mute by doing something that was completely stupid and blatantly against the rules; in short, he disregarded Jagex's warning. Just like "real life", when you disregard a warning, you usually end up getting punished. If you're going to compare Runescape with real life...then pair up breaking the rules with breaking the law.
Therefore:
Permenant Ban = death sentence,
and
Permenant Mute = let's say, jail for life.

Should a criminal be given the opportunity to walk around outside of the jail, because being in jail just "isn't fair"?
Of course it's fair that the criminal is behind bars, I'm sure you can agree.
Why? Because he did something stupid: broke the law.
Personally, I can't think of one reason to grant him amnesty for being an idiot.

The same goes with your friend.
Sorry. :]

There is a such thing called parole. After a certain period of time, if he kept a good behavior, maybe they could let him on parole (un-mute him) under the supervision of Jagex.

Jagex has 8.5 million player and over 1 million member...do you really want them spending all their time keeping track of the people who break the rules?

Jaden · **Posted:** September 21st, 2007, 4:28 pm

I only made that comment since he was comparing it with real life and what they do in real life with these situations, which Zachy had posted.

Permanent mute means that it is permanent and Jagex will not make any exceptions. If their decision is final then it is final. If Jagex allows themselves to be light on Alex and eliminate his permanent mute then they will have to be light on everyone, which will not happen. If Alex was totally innocent then there is a reason to eliminate the permanent mute, but other then that I am sure they make no exceptions.

Christopher · **Posted:** September 21st, 2007, 7:49 pm

Jaden wrote:

I only made that comment since he was comparing it with real life and what they do in real life with these situations, which Zachy had posted.

Permanent mute means that it is permanent and Jagex will not make any exceptions. If their decision is final then it is final. If Jagex allows themselves to be light on Alex and eliminate his permanent mute then they will have to be light on everyone, which will not happen. If Alex was totally innocent then there is a reason to eliminate the permanent mute, but other then that I am sure they make no exceptions.

Oh, I've heard of lots of exceptions being made. If you start a parole, you have to keep track of everyone muted or banned permanently...that is a huge responsibility and takes a lot of resources...personally I think that isn't an option for Jagex. The only thing I think we can hope for is a better review application and a little more common sense.

Jaden · **Posted:** September 21st, 2007, 8:40 pm

I wasn't suggesting to use paroles in the first place (although it may have sounded like a suggestion; I am sorry about that)!

I only made that comment if this were similar to the real world, which was a reply to Zachy's post. Please get this through your head. I am not trying to suggest parole to be the solution because I know that it would require many Jagex Staff members and many hours to maintain such a thing.

Also, please give me an example of where Jagex made these such exceptions because I would really like to know (beside using appeals). If you were permanently banned and were unable to appeal again.

gamer4250 · **Posted:** September 23rd, 2007, 11:16 am

Total Plox wrote:

Ok, so here's my side.

I see a Permanent Mute as a punishment. If you break the rules, you suffer. I don't believe it has anything to do with the player's friends. If they don't have a problem with someone's language, then they won't report that player, simple. But if the player is caught running his mouth to someone who doesn't like it, then I believe he should be punished.

Also, about the ClanChat comment. What if the owner of the channel doesn't have a problem with swearing, but the people in the chat do? Do they have to leave?

And yes, you're right, what is the point of playing if you can't talk? But jagex give us chances. I doubt they will ban someone for a first time offense of Rule #1 (I'm living proof of that). So if someone doesn't like your language, you are given another chance.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with basically everything you suggested.

Oh and by the way, it isn't real life.

thats a pretty good point there, I fully agree.

Rynne528 · **Posted:** September 23rd, 2007, 4:43 pm

gamer4250 wrote:

Total Plox wrote:

Ok, so here's my side.

I see a Permanent Mute as a punishment. If you break the rules, you suffer. I don't believe it has anything to do with the player's friends. If they don't have a problem with someone's language, then they won't report that player, simple. But if the player is caught running his mouth to someone who doesn't like it, then I believe he should be punished.

Also, about the ClanChat comment. What if the owner of the channel doesn't have a problem with swearing, but the people in the chat do? Do they have to leave?

And yes, you're right, what is the point of playing if you can't talk? But jagex give us chances. I doubt they will ban someone for a first time offense of Rule #1 (I'm living proof of that). So if someone doesn't like your language, you are given another chance.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with basically everything you suggested.

Oh and by the way, it isn't real life.

thats a pretty good point there, I fully agree.

I completely agree as well. It's a very good point to think about.