Putin reforming the USSR?

Kyle · **Posted:** August 22nd, 2007, 7:35 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294028,00.html

Putin an ex KGB agent is really pushing some buttons in the world. Claiming the north pole and now he is flying strategic nucular aircraft on patrol. Putin is starting the cold war up again, do you think Putin will reform the USSR?

Adbot · **Posted:** August 22nd, 2007, 7:35 am

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** August 22nd, 2007, 11:16 am

No lol

Not going to happen.

Besides, if they stepped out of Line i know a couple of country's that would step in, they seem to enjoy policing the world.

Brad · **Posted:** August 22nd, 2007, 11:32 am

Err yeah.. I really can't see it happening either. There may be a little tension between Russia and the west at the moment but that doesn't mean he's going to do something that drastic.

MattVortex · **Posted:** August 22nd, 2007, 11:52 am

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... 4820070210

I don't like Putin much, but I dislike Bush more. And he is right that the US are forcing their will on the world. Maybe he's just acting against that, perhaps?

Gontcha · **Posted:** August 22nd, 2007, 2:28 pm

First of all, fox news is always subjective.
Second, I've seen it on Russias sattelite tv channel, it's nothing more then just a push in the back of aviation constructors. Foxnews is spreading the fear of nuclear attack on the US just because of that? How many planes has the west devellop that were capable of nuking russia? Alot. Did everyone made a drama out of it? No. WTF is wrong with people, why do they fear putin? He said he will follow the constitution and that this will be his last term, eventhough he's loved so much by Russian. US is just afraid of losing militairy supremacy over the world, so they cannot push everyone in the corner.
My point: Most of the news you americans, actually we all hear is biased, subjective to the belief of the newschannel/sponsor.

OFF TOPIC: You may not belive it, but my close relative has designed the superjet :shock:

EDIT: Oh, and free press has proof that US has torpedoed Kursk (remember our convo Kyle?)
EDIT2: It's not USSR anymore, it's RF, Russian Federation.

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** August 22nd, 2007, 2:57 pm

Rotfl is all I can say. That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Almost all current Russian politicians are either ex-KGB or they held high up positions in the communist party. It's like that because they're the older generation, when the younger generation comes in then it won't be like that.

I'm pretty sure no one wants communism to happen again.

Adbot · **Posted:** August 22nd, 2007, 2:57 pm

Mr Pink · **Posted:** August 22nd, 2007, 3:22 pm

Heh, never going to happen. Like MQ said barely anybody would want communism back.

Vaskor · **Posted:** August 26th, 2007, 7:37 am

Communism, no. But dictatorship, why not? Majority of Russians would welcome it. Putin is makings steps similar to what was done by Lukashenko in Belarus. I wouldn't be very much surprised to see it repeated all the way in Russia. Can it end up in another cold war? Quite possibly.

And by the way, in last 10 years or so a constant propaganda against USA is going on in Russia. Every news is twisted in a way to show who an official state enemy is. There were not much love even before, but now a majority of people in Russia genuinely hate USA. And it is clear that it is all driven by the government.

Ranging God · **Posted:** August 26th, 2007, 8:54 am

CreepyPirate wrote:

No lol

Not going to happen.

Besides, if they stepped out of Line i know a couple of country's that would step in, they seem to enjoy policing the world.

ya **** strait, someone has to do it..

I dontthink he will, I mean he isent stupid, eh? It would be CWII

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** August 26th, 2007, 9:52 pm

Vaskor wrote:

Communism, no. But dictatorship, why not? Majority of Russians would welcome it. Putin is makings steps similar to what was done by Lukashenko in Belarus. I wouldn't be very much surprised to see it repeated all the way in Russia. Can it end up in another cold war? Quite possibly.

And by the way, in last 10 years or so a constant propaganda against USA is going on in Russia. Every news is twisted in a way to show who an official state enemy is. There were not much love even before, but now a majority of people in Russia genuinely hate USA. And it is clear that it is all driven by the government.

This I can totally agree with, with the exception of Russian people hating the US. I can say from my own experience that Russians don't hate America. We disapprove of Bush, but we don't see it as a cause that directly comes from the system of capitalism or free market systems.

On the other hand, people don't really realise that .. well, Putin is the best Russia can get. All other remotely-popular politicians who seek presidency are completely inept at being able to hold such an important position. Because of that, Russians simply re-elect Putin.

Vaskor · **Posted:** August 27th, 2007, 8:09 am

I am not saying everyone in Russia hates USA, but majority (regular workers, people in villages) do. USA is positioned as an enemy of the state by the government. It's not being openly said but it is stressed in every news related to USA.

One small example. I live in USA, but have relatives in Belarus and Russia. So my relatives keep calling me about every hurricane, earthquake or shooting which happens in USA. Every negative news about USA is shown on TV there and a catastrophe is made out of it. This is how I learn that something bad has happened in USA. Not because local news, but because it is so colorfully broadcasted in Belarus and Russia.

Another example. I have a friend who moved from Minsk, Belarus to CA, USA about 5 years ago. Her parents are still in Belarus. A year ago her farther was forced to leave the plant he was working for, because we was claimed "a state traitor" by his co-workers! Just because his daughter moved to the country of "the enemy". It was not considered to be bad 5 years ago, but now it is! People's minds has changed. My relatives also don't like to admit where I live nowadays.

Basically, if you can read Russian or can ask someone who does, take any USA related news and read it in Russian media (say on http://www.rambler.ru). Then read its equivalent on CNN or some USA newspaper. You'll see the difference. Facts are the same, but the way they are explained and positioned are drastically different.

I remember 10-15 years ago the cold war has ended and people were considering USA as a future partner. Not anymore. How it has changed since then!

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** August 27th, 2007, 10:33 am

Vaskor wrote:

I am not saying everyone in Russia hates USA, but majority (regular workers, people in villages) do. USA is positioned as an enemy of the state by the government. It's not being openly said but it is stressed in every news related to USA.

One small example. I live in USA, but have relatives in Belarus and Russia. So my relatives keep calling me about every hurricane, earthquake or shooting which happens in USA. Every negative news about USA is shown on TV there and a catastrophe is made out of it. This is how I learn that something bad has happened in USA. Not because local news, but because it is so colorfully broadcasted in Belarus and Russia.

Another example. I have a friend who moved from Minsk, Belarus to CA, USA about 5 years ago. Her parents are still in Belarus. A year ago her farther was forced to leave the plant he was working for, because we was claimed "a state traitor" by his co-workers! Just because his daughter moved to the country of "the enemy". It was not considered to be bad 5 years ago, but now it is! People's minds has changed. My relatives also don't like to admit where I live nowadays.

Basically, if you can read Russian or can ask someone who does, take any USA related news and read it in Russian media (say on http://www.rambler.ru). Then read its equivalent on CNN or some USA newspaper. You'll see the difference. Facts are the same, but the way they are explained and positioned are drastically different.

I remember 10-15 years ago the cold war has ended and people were considering USA as a future partner. Not anymore. How it has changed since then!

To be honest, you get that everywhere. We get news reports on American shootings and the such here in the UK to. It's fairly common, the world loves to hate America.

And just for the record, MQ there is Russian born.

MattVortex · **Posted:** August 27th, 2007, 10:46 am

^ Yeah, that VT shooting caused wordwide coverage, with the Queen even going there when she was visiting.

It happens every day in Iraq and the middle east, though, yet you get basically no coverage. If a car bomb goes off in Israel or palestine, you might be lucky to get a 2-second mention of it. If it were to happen in America, it would be on the news for weeks.

Those of you in the US, did you hear about the bombs in london when they went off in July 2005?

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** August 27th, 2007, 10:57 am

Vaskor wrote:

I am not saying everyone in Russia hates USA, but majority (regular workers, people in villages) do. USA is positioned as an enemy of the state by the government. It's not being openly said but it is stressed in every news related to USA.

One small example. I live in USA, but have relatives in Belarus and Russia. So my relatives keep calling me about every hurricane, earthquake or shooting which happens in USA. Every negative news about USA is shown on TV there and a catastrophe is made out of it. This is how I learn that something bad has happened in USA. Not because local news, but because it is so colorfully broadcasted in Belarus and Russia.

Another example. I have a friend who moved from Minsk, Belarus to CA, USA about 5 years ago. Her parents are still in Belarus. A year ago her farther was forced to leave the plant he was working for, because we was claimed "a state traitor" by his co-workers! Just because his daughter moved to the country of "the enemy". It was not considered to be bad 5 years ago, but now it is! People's minds has changed. My relatives also don't like to admit where I live nowadays.

Basically, if you can read Russian or can ask someone who does, take any USA related news and read it in Russian media (say on http://www.rambler.ru). Then read its equivalent on CNN or some USA newspaper. You'll see the difference. Facts are the same, but the way they are explained and positioned are drastically different.

I remember 10-15 years ago the cold war has ended and people were considering USA as a future partner. Not anymore. How it has changed since then!

You're not seeming to realise that Belarus and Russia are separate countries..the speak different languages. While there is corruption in both countries, it doesn't manifest itself in the same way. Belarus almost freely operates as a semi-totalitarian state under Lukashenko without outcry from "civilised" western nations.

And about news broadcasts? Do you honestly think that because Russians see that the US are causing the deaths of their own troops as well as innocent civilians that they would WANT communism? That they would choose to live a life of equal poverty where you stand in long lines for hours to be distributed your ration of aspirin? No. It's not true and the fact that you have never lived during communism and the fact that you have never lived in Russia does not give you enough experience to say what Russians as a whole believe.

Vaskor · **Posted:** August 27th, 2007, 11:15 am

Mushroom Queen wrote:

You're not seeming to realise that Belarus and Russia are separate countries..the speak different languages. While there is corruption in both countries, it doesn't manifest itself in the same way. Belarus almost freely operates as a semi-totalitarian state under Lukashenko without outcry from "civilised" western nations.

Belarussians speak Russian. Many, especially in the country, speak mixed language. Very few actually speak Belarussian language. Unfortunately, this language is almost dead.
I agree with you that Belarus are far less democratic than Russia, I am just saying that Russia is making steps similar to what was done in Belarus.

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And about news broadcasts? Do you honestly think that because Russians see that the US are causing the deaths of their own troops as well as innocent civilians that they would WANT communism? That they would choose to live a life of equal poverty where you stand in long lines for hours to be distributed your ration of aspirin? No.

No, I am not saying they would choose to live in communism. I am saying they might choose to live under a dictator just like Belarussians did. Lukashenko is very very popular in Belarus, people adore him and not without reason.

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It's not true and the fact that you have never lived during communism and the fact that you have never lived in Russia does not give you enough experience to say what Russians as a whole believe.

Well, you right, I shouldn't have made such claim. I might very well be wrong. It would be more accurate to say that it is my personal opinion based on personal observations.

And for the record :-)

I lived during communism in USSR, I lived in Russia (though not for long), I visit Russia and Belarus every year or so.