Is there a god? <dramatic music>

And what created hydrogen?

Why do you never answer my unanswerable questions yet you expect me to answer yours?

Who's to say that we can't know something though?

I often find people defending their faith with their faith, which is circular reasoning. You can't use the Bible to prove God's existence, man still wrote the Bible even if "God was speaking through them."

God is as real as man makes him. He is as powerful and as influential as man makes him. The more people believe in Christ, the more powerful He becomes. Why? Because God is abstract, an idea, a reason.

Do you believe in God because you are a Catholic, or do you believe in God as well as being a Catholic?

I don't know why I'm posting on this topic, maybe because some of the things are going against things I believe, maybe because there are so many unanswerable questions, or maybe because some of the things don't have reasoning.

Scientist have made an explanation for nearly everything. They say humans evolved from apes: Do you or I or anyone else look like apes? There is no way for humans to have evoled from apes because if we had we would still be 'evolving' we wouldn't just stop.

So what did create us?



What ceated those?

And you say time has to have always existed, maybe time or what we call time did always exist, it just wasn't recorded till there was something on earth that could.

Also you ask what created God, well when you read the bible (No i'm not telling, forcing, or meaning you to do this or trying to be offensive by this.) it says "He is, he always was, always has been, and always will be." Not sure which verse or chapter. But it says that God was and is and will always be here, he didn't just pop up, he didn't appear when gas hit gas and explodded into a puff of smoke and wahlaa! A god! No, he's always been here.

And if you think a man or men created the thought and stories of God, think for a moment; do you really think one man or even 100 men could have created such a tremendous story?

I know some of this will offend some of you, but I don't think there's any topic about God that can be discussed without someone getting offended. That's why the staff don't think we can talk about such topics.

What's the harm of believing in God? If your correct you get to live a wonderful life in haven, if your wrong and there is no God then all you did was waste a litle bit of your earthly time, no harm done. If don't believe in God and he does exist then you've got a big problem when your earthly life ends.

I don't think I should say anymore since i've probably got a few people annyoed/angry at me already. But let's leave whatever malice we might have against each other (if any aroused between anyone) here on this thread and not let it affect discussion on other topics.

Here I go jumping out on a half inch thick branch about to fall into a web.

Yeah, we vaguely look like apes - our eyes are in the same place, we all have fingers and legs and arms and skulls and noses and ears and basically everything works in the same way. We share more than 98% of our DNA with Chimpanzees. Also, we didnt necessarily evolve from the Apes you are familiar with. Scientists believe both evolved from the same thing millions of years ago.

Evolution is stopping? Says who? Look at humans from thousands of years ago and compare them to now. Humans now are significantly taller than before. Yes, evolution is slowing down because of healthcare. Where evolution would have decided that someone were to die and their genes would not be passed on, healthcare is allowing them to live.

And being honest, I dont think you really understand evolution very well. Evolution is not a process that happens overnight, it takes hundreds of thousands of years. We cannot have observed evolution in our lifetimes because it takes hundreds of generations for it to happen, not just a few.



The Big Bang created energy. Energy created quarks and leptons, quarks clumped to form hadrons, which collided and combined with electrons (a type of lepton) to form atoms. And dont go down the route of 'God caused the Big Bang'. Nothing necessarily had to cause it - Quantum Mechanics has proven that things can happen without being caused, and even ignoring that there are other things that could have happened as well. Before the big bang, scientists think, the universe and dimensions were a mess, and the tangling of a few dimensions created that huge amount of energy.



No, I did not say time had to always exist. I said time was also brought into existence at the Big Bang, which agrees with the above hypothesis of tangled dimensions. The Big Bang was the alignment of them all.



Woah, woah, stop right there. You're using circular reasoning. The Bible is not fact, it is faith, and you cannot use faith to justify faith - it does not form a valid argument. And as creepy said, what the hell was a God doing before the Big bang? Sitting around playing poker with himself?



Yes. Also, I would refute 'tremendous'. It isnt a particularly well-written book, really. I can name far better fiction than the Bible, in terms of literary style, as well as the actual story. And some of the books of the bible are just narcissistic. Look at the book of Job - a self-obsessed narcissistic story of how God pointlessly tested the writer to test his faith.



It's a terrible waste of your life. Christians often live their life for God, wheras Atheists life their lives simply for life - not wasting their time believing in something with no rational justification, and living every day to the full. Your argument about believing in God and getting it right or wrong and nothing happening, etc, etc, is called Pascal's Wager, by the way, and is an incredibly flawed argument, because it does not point to people actually believing in God, it points to people forcing themselves to lie to themselves.

Look at this.

Pascal's Wager

	Atheist	Theist
God exists	Goes to hell	Goes to heaven
God does not exist	No difference	No difference

According to Pascal's wager, believing in God is a no-brainer. But I personally hate his wager. Here's a quote from Thomas Jefferson, founding father of America:



And now a modified version of the wager.

	Atheist	Theist
God exists	Atheist is rewarded in the afterlife for using his brain and intelligence, a gift that God gave him, rather than wasting his life following something blindly.	Possibly gets punished for insulting God by not using the gift of intelligence that God gave them.
God does not exist	Atheist has made the most of his life, not relying on an afterlife to save him later, and valuing every day.	Theist has wasted their life under the delusion that there will be an afterlife in which they are saved.