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PostPosted: November 14th, 2006, 9:08 am 
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You pose some very good points, MasterOfTheVortex (it's ONE word, all of you newbies).

The ecomony because of this update has declined, Free-to-play players have lost a valuable money-making asset, and members have lost a reliable Rune Essence source, causing the price for pure essence to rise and rune essence, now nearly worthless, to diminish. Now, if they are to get pure essence, members must mine it themselves with a mining level of 30.

But if you think about it, is it really because we have been relying on the rune essence market a bit too much?

It appears that people have been making millions of coins based on this market alone, being a macroer or not. It is incredibly easy to mine and store, as well as sell in bulk. Macroers merely had the advantage because they could do it for days on end without as much effort as regular players. Members and non-members should be allowed to make money off each other, but not to the limit where the economy solely depends on it. Why else do we have these extra skills and members items?

Sure, this game is called "Runescape", but it isn't called "Rune Essence Scape". The game, prospering on it, and making money off it doesn't solely have to rely on whether or not buying rune stones is cheap or not. If this was still the case, thousands would've made natures and such, thousands would use them to train, thousands would get level 95 magic, and thousands would dominate the wilderness with ice barrage while anyone who thinks they can do their wilderness treasure trail enters level 1 wilderness and gets hit by 20 different ice barrages at once.

That's not very enjoyable as a game, is it?

Jagex is also worried about their member status. One of the only reasons being a member is more worthwhile is that it's so much easier to make money. That's why all of the things we buy, like barrows, dragon armor, marble blocks, and cannons are so expensive. We can apply many different skills to making money to purchase these benefits. Should it really be fair (or right) that the free-to-play players can all make this substantial amount of money just as easily as a member? Not just that, but same-account-trading is also an issue. All 1 member pure would have to do is create some free-to-play characters to make all that money by rune essence mining (macro or not) and transfer the money over to him and maintain the status of "pure".

Yes, it disrupted the economy, but for better or for worse? Think about the long-term effects and what would've happened if this update didn't take place. I'm not disagreeing with the point you're making, I'm just saying that there are additional aspects to consider.

And I'm impressed by your essay, MasterOfTheVortex. Why you didn't make the newspaper both those times is beyond me.

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Jagex had to do something.
This isn't macroscape or autoscape or even super ultra macro marketing scape.
They say they have anti-macro tecnology on rules. then why do they keep macros in p2p worlds? MONEY!

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Wow...Nice man..I am very sure you will get an A for your essay :P

I agree with you Master.
100% agree.But not to forget,the update also give chances for low lvl runecrafters like me to train using the fast air service in world 16.

And not to forget,the latest update.

They didint even bother to give more bank space to F2P.

Some of my friends even asked me to suggest at the forums for more bank space lol :P

Well...I think Jagex overlooked this matter.

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They didint even bother to give more bank space to F2P.


The only reason WE got bank space is because of the new skill. They don't regularly give us it either .

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What about the freaking update that Jagex give to F2P??

Halloween event...

That requires 6 more freaking space!!

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What about the freaking update that Jagex give to F2P??

Halloween event...

That requires 6 more freaking space!!


Not really. All they have to do is drop the skeletal armor and pumpkin head, and they can simply get another set from Diango. No bank space needed.

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still, jagex does need to provide f2p players with some moer bank space.

imo, every time they give members extra bank space, they shoudl increase the free bank proportionally.

lets pretend the member bank had 100 spaces and the f2p has 20 (not accurate). iff they add 24 spaces, like in this month's update, since 34 is approx 1/4 the current size, 1/4 of 20 is 5, so they shoudl add 5 spaces to the f2p bank.

it is only fair. if members get more room, f2p shoudl get some too. (im a member, so im not fighting for myself)

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I can put this into easy words...

Jagex does care about every player. BUT they care about the players that Pay To Play their game. It's that simple.. :?

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I'm going to have to disagree with this whole erm... essay.

Jagex did the Essence Update to prevent macroers. Macroers degrade the RuneScape economy far more than any update. And the update, I dare say it, improved the economy. How you ask? Well the most obvious is macroers. The second is social classes. In many ancient civilizations life prospered in each social class one by one.

The social classes here are F2P and P2P. The prices have increased for each type of essence thus each social class prospering.

In conclusion Jagex can't make every single player happy. It's the same in real life. You can't make one person(s) life happy without degrading a different person(s) life. This is a concept of life.

I'm sorry but I disagree completely. Jagex tries as hard as they can to make every player happy. But it's simply not possible. And yes it's true that they care about P2P more but that's because they Pay to Play. While F2P is well free loners.

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hmm, well you have put up a good point!
I guess your right, in some aspects, i never considered it and never knew the price of P ess would be anywhere near that high :shock:
y'know, jagex cant please everyone, there will always be black sheep.



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PostPosted: November 24th, 2006, 3:27 am 
I agree that his did screw with the economy big time...when i was starting out as p2p i had the ability to craft cosmics, and at the time i wanted craft rings and stuff and enchant cause i had like 80 mining at the time with like thousands of uncuts and wanted to get my rc higher, i had 10k reg ess ready to go...a few days later jag came out with the update, so i had almost 7k reg ess sitting in my bank that i couldn't use to craft cosmics and i couldn't sell at the price i bought for because the price suddenly shot down, so i'm left with 7k reg ess in my bank, almost broke, thousands of cuts i had to craft and enchant...it was a mess


but i guess it's like my dad says "one bad apple spoils it for the rest"


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PostPosted: November 24th, 2006, 9:14 pm 
Wow put a lot of thought into the topic


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I think you made this topic when you needed to buy Pure Essence.
Is Pure Essence really that much?

In my whole Runescape carreer I never sold 1 Rune Essence and look, I have 11m cash and a Santa Hat.
No, I did not make that because I'm P2P but I had 12m cash on the last day I was F2P.
You don't need to mine essence to get rich, start Woodcutting which is much more fun to do.

I think I mined about 20K of normal essence and crafted them all into Air Runes and Mind Runes so I became 55 Magic this way.
Only once I bought 7k Mind Runes, but that was for Slayer Darts and I bought no more runes then that.

But it's true that they need more ppl in the game.
There are a lot of marcoers ready for a ban IMO.

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PostPosted: November 29th, 2006, 7:26 pm 
this was a long time ago thay made this update and jagex wants this a fun game not a marco infested rat hole and thay well go threw evey means nesseary and thay dont care about 1 complant now if it was in a bulk like lets say 100,000 people then some thang might happen hopefuly thay well look into the "new bank of RS" thred on the tif[/quote] and thay might beable to put one of the bot detechen thangs in for the sign up thang


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