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Mod Ash already said they might change it back.
My guess is that they didn't knew people were dropping them to safe them.

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Anyway, RC is still a dominant money making skill and it's extremely easy to do and makes tons of money.


No. It's not. Runecrafting indeed gives a lot of money to the economy. However, it is in no way easy, the abyss, shoul RCers not get pked there, would make it -easier-, but with the maximum of 410 experience for any deent leveled player in that skill (which I believe, not even 25,000 people actually have) runecrafting is infact the slowest, most irritating skill to raise. I don't use the abyss, for two reasons.
1) I see -anyone- who pks in level 1-10 wilderness a noob. ESPECIALLY if they're scrounging off people trying to skill! 2) Losing my pouches. it takes HOURS to get these back.
Oh, and if runecrafting was EASY. How come less than 7500 people have 1 million experience?

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It is also the reason for so much money coming into the game.


No. Fletching, Magic, and Runecrafting -combined- are what's brought so much money into the game. I could even argue that the auto-ers of F2p who can't even craft nature runes are adding to the inflation by flooding the markets with yew logs.


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Updates like pure essence among other things are clearly attempts to slow down how many nature runes are made. But even with these updates, RC still remains one of the dominant skills for money making, yet for some reason people love to complain that the skill is ruined.


Wrong again. My, my, there is a pattern here isn't there? Pure essence was made to stop autoers flooding the markets with essence. I can see in the future, Jagex doing the same kind of thing to Woodcutting. As creepy once said sarcastically "soft yew and hard yew".

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Of all things to bring up, this update hardly will curve the amount of natures made. At most, it makes it slightly more dangerous to abyssal craft [because there's a greater chance of losing your pouches], which would slow down some people.


SOME PEOPLE??? Holy **** are you disillusioned. EVERYONE gets pked there. (unless you're a high enough combat level to avoid them, which I believe only a few here are, seeing you'd have to be over lv115 at times)

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Honestly, you're still going to be making the same amount of nats per hour. If you get pked, go get your pouches back and learn to RC without getting PKed. If you die with a skull, you're supposed to lose all your items anyway, dropping your pouches is just a loophole, technically, so if this slows that down, I don't mind.


"Learn to rc without getting pked". Have you EVER made law runes? Well, for one you can't wear anything, and second, abby pkers ice barrage or teleblock and entangle. So even if you are wearing the dragonhide armour etc etc, you're gonna die cause you can't move.

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This is a minor update and won't drastically affect anything which is why I figured that even a thread made about it is over-reaction. At most, sending a complain to Jagex would suffice, anything else is excessive.


K, I found out where you're coming from. You don't runecraft, do you?
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That aside, I hope they change this back promptly.

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Wow lots of feeling there Anubis :)

Anyhow, I'm in agreement. I don't really see Runecrafting as a fun or even easy skill much less a money making one, especially when there's more quick-fixes in Fletching and fishing to keep you going.

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Wow lots of feeling there Anubis :)


Yeah, Sorry if I seemed too offensive XD But Abbysal pkers are the one thing in runescape I'd like to nuke. It's more the;
"They've given you an easy way, but we're not going to let you do it"
That gets me worked up. ^^

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Sometimes it seems that a lot of you would just like this game to never be updated.


If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Unfortunately, Jagex just loves making this mistake. Over and over again.


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Anyway, RC is still a dominant money making skill and it's extremely easy to do and makes tons of money.


No. It's not. Runecrafting indeed gives a lot of money to the economy. However, it is in no way easy, the abyss, shoul RCers not get pked there, would make it -easier-, but with the maximum of 410 experience for any deent leveled player in that skill (which I believe, not even 25,000 people actually have) runecrafting is infact the slowest, most irritating skill to raise. I don't use the abyss, for two reasons.
1) I see -anyone- who pks in level 1-10 wilderness a noob. ESPECIALLY if they're scrounging off people trying to skill! 2) Losing my pouches. it takes HOURS to get these back.
Oh, and if runecrafting was EASY. How come less than 7500 people have 1 million experience?
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First off, RC is still one of the easiest and best ways to make money, hence it's a dominant money-making skill, as opposed to skills that do not make much much. Whether people choose to RC or not is irrelevant.

Very few people reach 1m RC exp because even if you start RCing nature runes and nothing else after 44 RC, it would require over 100,000 nature runes crafted for 1m exp. Even if you only do 1/5 of that, you still made a very nice chunk of cash, even higher ess costs. At 91 RC, you can make as much as 4,000 nature runes an hour, and even at lower levels (well below 1m exp) you can make 1500+ nats an hour. Even taking ess costs into account, RC easily supplies anyone with even low levels (such as 50 for a large pouch) the ability to make over 300,000 gp an hour.

Jagex intentionally placed the abyss in the wilderness knowing that there would be PKers swarming the area to kill RCers. Before the abyss, RC was even harder to train. I just think of the abyss as an added bonus and don't mind the pkers at all. It's really hard to get abyssal pked unless you don't wear the right gear or use common sense.

I congratulated my friend when he pked a RCer who was wearing full rune. Why? Because the person was needlessly foolish for doing so.

"runecrafting is infact the slowest, most irritating skill to raise. "

It is slow, but the profits are immense, so that's irrelevant. At a mere 44 RC, you have access to one of the ultimate money making skills in the game, which gets even better at 50, 75, and 91.

You can get to 44 RC in a day or two just crafting air runes, and you'd make profit doing so.

And RC is definetly no more irritating than any other repetative skill that RS has to offer, such as agility or mining. It's a mindless task, much like every other single skill in the game, making it very easy.

I suspect that the only reason more people don't use the abyss is because they don't have the GP to afford a stockpile of glories for teleporting back to edgeville over and over or can't afford the initial costs of buying the essence. (this of course, only applies to the people with the ability to nat craft)


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If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Unfortunately, Jagex just loves making this mistake. Over and over again.


The game itself is never "broke", so therefore every update they ever do, ever (besides bug fixes) would violate this rule. Which is why I think it's the dumbest thing people can say when there's an update. Give a good reason for why you dislike the update, but don't claim that Jagex ruined RS or the game will never be the same or that you and all your friends and family and country are quitting or that you'll quit and become a scammer... People over-react about the dumbest things, which is the thesis for my entire argument with this thread.

Personally, I don't care either way for this update as I never drop my pouches because it never gets to that point for me, but it was the over-exaggeration of the issue that got to me.

" For once, why can't Jagex come out with an idea to BENEFIT RuneCrafters, not Pkers?? Now, they're just trying to ruin the skill of RuneCrafting with this and the pure essence update."

^What I'm referring to.

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Of course you don't drop your pouches, you don't even have 30 Runecrafting so you wouldn't have any pouches in the first place and you wouldn't know what it's like crafting through the abyss. (Unless Jbean67 really isn't your RSN).


Abyss Pking is just what annoys me the most. The people that do it are just plain scum, nothing more than the RuneScape version of Kevin Federline. They may make a 200k profit at most during the course of 45 Minutes which isn't neccisarily terrible, it's just a wonder why they want to make it off killing other people who aren't prepared and aren't out there to PK. You said that it's easy to escape Pkers when it really isn't. For instance, a level 100 player can easily be killed by a level 75 as long as they Teleblock/Entangle/Freeze you then precede with a few DDS Specials and you have no time to heal or even attempt to run because your frozen/entangled and can't tele because of Teleblock. Yet you say it's easy to escape and if you can't avoid them then you shouldn't be Abyss Crafting, well where is all your evidence of this seeing as you can't even craft Natures yourself?

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The game itself is never "broke", so therefore every update they ever do, ever (besides bug fixes) would violate this rule.


I disagree here, because an extension to the game isn't "fixing" it, whereas a modification to something that already exists in the game is "fixing something that isn't broken".

There's a really thin line there though. ;)

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Quite a debate here. Dragon and 'Nubis have good points. (XDDD K-Fed)
But also people take JagEx for granted. "OMFGZ!!! THE UPDATES NOT PERFECT SO JAGEX SUCKZZZ" they're trying their best, they have thousands of rants a day, its not like there doing it to displease everyone.
Just put yourself in JageX's shoes sometimes, Whiny players who are never happy+ making sure to fix bugs+ enforce the rules, ect ect. its not like they have alot of free time to satisfy every one of those whatever-million players. Lets try to appreciate them for the good things instead of complaining that RuneScape is not perfect. I'm sure with this many people unhappy they will change it back.
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Quite a debate here. Dragon and 'Nubis have good points. (XDDD K-Fed)
But also people take JagEx for granted. "OMFGZ!!! THE UPDATES NOT PERFECT SO JAGEX SUCKZZZ" they're trying their best, they have thousands of rants a day, its not like there doing it to displease everyone.
Just put yourself in JageX's shoes sometimes, Whiny players who are never happy+ making sure to fix bugs+ enforce the rules, ect ect. its not like they have alot of free time to satisfy every one of those whatever-million players. Lets try to appreciate them for the good things instead of complaining that RuneScape is not perfect. I'm sure with this many people unhappy they will change it back.
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I appreciate Jagex as a company and understand the kind of people and players they have to deal with and know it can be hard sometimes. I'm not saying they suck because of this, nor was I trying to start such a heated debate. But, since CrioThreeMo (Or whatever his name his) made so many false statements, I felt I had to support my argument with some information.

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That wasnt aimed at you, i was speaking in general.

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I know, I was just kinda throwing it out there. :wink:

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The abyss is a good place to rc. For High combat level's
Runecrafting is RUINED!

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i agree we are always trying to rc...i understand that my sig is a pking sig but us rcers need a benefit we cant do anything cause all updates help those noob pkers

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