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 Post subject: Forum Restructuring
PostPosted: June 28th, 2010, 6:50 am 
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As you should have noticed if you are a member of our community (if not, why not sign up and introduce yourself?), the forums have been restructured a bit after discussions with and suggestions from the moderator staff. Over the years with the additions of new forums and with the removal of old forums that were phased out, the category structure got a little strange.

We hope you will find this new order more logical in both category seperation and in the ordering of importance.

The only forum which has been removed is the RuneScape Fake Pictures forum because of declining interest. All the topics that were in that forum have been moved to Runescape Related Media, and new fake images may still be posted in that forum as long as they are labeled as being a fake.

The RuneScape Questions forum has had it's topic broadened a bit to include topics of any small advice you may have on RuneScape to the community. If activity in this forum does not increase, it too may be phased out.

I'd also like to point out that our auto-locking procedure has changed a bit. The first page of topics in most forums will remain unlocked unless the discussion has come to a conclusion or the topic author requests it's lock, in which case it will be locked by a moderator. A few forums such as news forums have been changed to order topics by topic creation date instead to accomodate this. An example is the RSBANDBUpdate! Forum where a few of the older episodes can still be discussed instead of just the newest one.

Finally, we'd like to ask you guys for suggestions on how to encourage community users to host more of their own events. We always get complaints about the times of our official hosted events, but the Community Events Forum is largely unused. We've tried lots of event times for official events in the past and have decided to just settle for times that bring in the most people, but that doesn't stop you from hosting your own events. The glory days for events in that forum was before the end of 2007 when the GE and new restrictions on trade were introduced, but there is still lots of fun to be had in RuneScape with others. What is stopping people from hosting their own events?


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PostPosted: June 28th, 2010, 6:50 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
PostPosted: June 28th, 2010, 7:22 am 
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Arg new forum layout will take some getting used to i got all confused when i first jumped on earlier.

As for community events. My only solution after 20 seconds of considering it is when you guys post the monthly round up of events to come give community events a plug as well as no one goes in the community events area anyway.

Gotta make people awere of it.

edit; And a plug on RSBANDB Update would be good. And in the newspaper. And more closer to the event time runewire and clanchat. Make use of all your resources.

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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
PostPosted: June 28th, 2010, 1:03 pm 
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It's gonna take a bit of getting used to for the Welcome forum to be at the top, but I think "Non-Runescape Discussion" and "Non-Runescape Media" should be changed to "General Discussion" and "General Media"

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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
PostPosted: June 28th, 2010, 1:38 pm 
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I like how the Welcoming Area is at the top. After so many years of seeing it near the bottom of the page, it just seems more logical that it should be the first forum that people see.

As for Events, I'm not sure what you guys currently do to promote events (beyond advertising it on the front page) but use every outlet available to you. RSBANDBUpdate gets a lot of fans that aren't necessarily part of the forums.

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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
PostPosted: June 28th, 2010, 2:17 pm 
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A big problem with community hosted events are the lack of attendees. Warren and I tried to hold a continuous event a few months back, and after we lost promotion from the Events Crew applications, only a few people signed up. The official RSBANDB events are listed on an announcement, on the top of the index a few hours before it happens, and on the bottom of the forum index. This attracts attention of many people, and that is why I think official events are expected to be successful. With all the promotion the official events get, it's disappointing when the Events Crew doesn't even attend them. I think a good way to get users to actually want go to community hosted events is to have them approved by the Events Crew, and then have these approved events in the "Upcoming Events" header on the bottom of the forum index. This would get the attention of more people, enough to have a successful community event.

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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
PostPosted: June 28th, 2010, 2:20 pm 
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I personally find that the few events we do have are good enough for me. I only pay close attention to the PC Gaming Event and one is better than none at all. Sure, it would be nice for more events to come along, but it all depends on the interest of everyone else in the event. It's kind of like WoW. You can start a raid on your own and invite people to come, but who knows how many actual people would end up coming. I believe it would be the same on here as well. 1) People might be in a state of mind that no one or very few will want to join or 2) no one or very few are actually interested in having more events. I don't think it's a bad thing we don't have a lot of member-made events. I think an event here and there is just as good as none at all. If you want to start something, why not shoot it past everyone else and see who is interested. Otherwise, I'd say you might as well leave the forum there just in case anyone wants to do that kind of thing. Like with SOTW, I think interest in events has died down, but unlike SOTW, I'm sure there are some ideas for events floating around out there that just haven't been said yet. For those ideas, the events forum should continue to exist. Otherwise, the rest of the Forum news seems to be straight forward.

P.S. I agree with Jay when he says attendance is a problem. Often times, people will vote or say they will come and then don't show up at all. If you want to have more successful events, make sure people are being earnest and that when they say they are going to come, that they actually do. Otherwise, it is pretty disheartening to host an event where only a few people show up.

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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
PostPosted: June 28th, 2010, 2:45 pm 
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The ideas about Events Crew promotion are great. It would be nice to be able to make people commit to an event but unfortunately we aren't mind control experts... yet.

Another question to everyone who's posted (and the community), would you be more inclined to host events if they were Events Crew promoted? Along with this is there any other support that would be welcomed aside from promotion?

To me the issue is that the events aren't being hosted. This could be caused by attendance but there may be other reasons. Are there other reasons aside from attendance? Yes? No? Maybe?

Edit: Would you be more likely to host an event if there was a more official system in place?

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While i think the events need better promotion i think the banner up the top and the bottom section should remain for official events only.

I think site run events are always going to be a bit more reliable and in some cases better quality than user created ones and keeping those two seperate and identifiable is a good thing. Otherwise you'll see a decrease in numbers for them both. If i show up to some user hosted event and it goes terrible or he just doesn't show up it doesn't make me want to go to another.

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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
PostPosted: June 28th, 2010, 3:11 pm 
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CreepyPirate wrote:
While i think the events need better promotion i think the banner up the top and the bottom section should remain for official events only.

I think site run events are always going to be a bit more reliable and in some cases better quality than user created ones and keeping those two seperate and identifiable is a good thing. Otherwise you'll see a decrease in numbers for them both. If i show up to some user hosted event and it goes terrible or he just doesn't show up it doesn't make me want to go to another.


I would agree with you, however the events crew of both past and present haven't always shown up to their own events, some events have had little success, yet they still remain promoted.

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Edit: Would you be more likely to host an event if there was a more official system in place?


I would be much more likely to host events if this system were to be introduced.

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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
PostPosted: June 29th, 2010, 9:22 am 
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I've never been big on events myself- I prefer to train on my own. Now obviously lots of people do enjoy events, and some of the current event in particular get decent turnouts.

But let me ask you this- what is the most popular event RSBandB currently runs? SKOTM. After the Update and forums, I'd think SKOTM is RSBandB's most popular feature. Why? SKOTM doesn't require you to turn up somewhere at a specific time and place- it's flexible and accessible to everyone. I think part of the reason why some events aren't as popular as they should be is because they're too structured. I like playing Castle Wars, for example, but I like playing it when I WANT- not necessarily when a CW event takes place. I'd like to see more events similar to SKOTM is strucutre, that take place over a day, for example; events that don't require you to turn up somewhere at a specific time.

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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
PostPosted: June 29th, 2010, 12:39 pm 
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I just don't think there is enough interest in unoffical events. If they were supported by the Event's Crew, you might get a little more following, but bottom line either people need to show up or don't say they will. I personally am not looking for a bunch of events like I said. The events we have seem to be good as they are. The thing with events is finding something that people share in common and enjoy doing and form an event around it. If there is no interest to do events outside of what the Event's Crew runs, then I wouldn't try to push it. If the interest is there, the events will be started and ran, but if not, you just aren't going to see it at all.

It does seem like incentives work decently on this site. When Pfk was giving out the humble indie bundles, quite a few people showed up. If there was an award or some type of recognition for coming to the event, that might provide a reason for people to come. You could use the Competition Winners Rank or something new like Event Winner's Rank. That would be for all the events put on. Or maybe something like a sig like SKOTM for people who won events. Just some ideas.

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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
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Event winners already get the Competition Winner rank XD

I like the structure.. except RS Questions still says Questions instead of help. For some reason it is really annoying when people format a discussion by asking a question and put it in there XD


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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
PostPosted: June 29th, 2010, 3:07 pm 
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Shane wrote:
The ideas about Events Crew promotion are great. It would be nice to be able to make people commit to an event but unfortunately we aren't mind control experts... yet.

WHAT?!?!!

I really like the layout, it'll take a while to get used to it though...

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 Post subject: Re: Forum Restructuring
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The only thing I have to get used to is the Welcoming Area being first on the page.

Events-wise, I'd love to attend RSBANDB events but I'm F2P and so the most I can do is hang around in the Clan Chat. And it seems that the only events that go on when I can get online are the PC Gaming Events.

Most players are more likely to show up to an event if there was an incentive to go because the way RS is set up (as most games are), its not easy to just drop everything and attend. And if you do prepare for an event by not doing anything relatively important and then you attend the event and it ends up not doing well, well then you don't feel like going to another. Just like Creepy said. I figure if a more official system were in place and the Events Crew became a bigger presence, events would be bigger. Community-hosted events-wise, I think they don't go well because it hints at a lack of organization. I would always pick official events over community-hosted events. Incentives for event attendance could be like Duke said and be rank or sig. With current settings on trading, a player needs a lot of Quest Points and/or be on the other person's Friend's List for quite some time for the reward to be something good.

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I don't like it much, but over time im sure i will get used to it.

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