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PostPosted: August 10th, 2012, 5:02 pm 
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You Know all you liberals calling conservatives Intolerant and Bigots, etc. What I noticed is the people who claim to be the most *Tolerant* actually in most most cases are the most intolerant because if you express yourself and disagree with them you are immediately labeled as a bigot, anti-gay, or intolerant. Conservatives may disagree with you but they certainty don't begin personal attacks, because it turns out us conservatives actually can tolerate debate and differing opinions on important issues without denouncing the opposition.

Sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar. =D>


Yes, indeed. Well put. Completely agree.

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Uncle Dano wrote:
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You Know all you liberals calling conservatives Intolerant and Bigots, etc. What I noticed is the people who claim to be the most *Tolerant* actually in most most cases are the most intolerant because if you express yourself and disagree with them you are immediately labeled as a bigot, anti-gay, or intolerant. Conservatives may disagree with you but they certainty don't begin personal attacks, because it turns out us conservatives actually can tolerate debate and differing opinions on important issues without denouncing the opposition.

Sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar. =D>


Yes, indeed. Well put. Completely agree.


Agreed here too. I think this is entirely visible in the reaction in both the media and the community that started the boycott of the company. I've also seen it before relating to other matters so the fact it happens here is no surprise.

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Pennstate315 wrote:
You Know all you liberals calling conservatives Intolerant and Bigots, etc. What I noticed is the people who claim to be the most *Tolerant* actually in most most cases are the most intolerant because if you express yourself and disagree with them you are immediately labeled as a bigot, anti-gay, or intolerant. Conservatives may disagree with you but they certainty don't begin personal attacks, because it turns out us conservatives actually can tolerate debate and differing opinions on important issues without denouncing the opposition.


Once the opinion becomes one that implies less rights for a subset of individuals, then it does become intolerance and discrimination. When there is a guarantee of equal rights, and people see actions as violation of that guarantee, then of course they will see it as bigotry and intolerance. It's a natural defensive response.

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You know perfectly well that is untrue, and both sides are equally guilty of such things. Such actions now is just a veiled version of that, being that you accuse only a single side of these terrible sayings. There are many, many examples of both liberal and conservative faces in media or otherwise (though mostly in amusing clips of Fox News as it's just tooooo easy to get fun out of that) of a host smothering an opposing opinion. Just because you sit yourself up on a pedestal doesn't mean you are actually the higher being.

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PostPosted: August 11th, 2012, 4:40 pm 
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God forbid someone have an opinion!
I'll just leave this here

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God forbid someone have an opinion!
I'll just leave this here

My thought's exactly.

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Yea but people are acting surprised that there is a large offense taken to somebody's offensive opinion. It's rather silly.

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Sigh. I was going to try and avoid this conversation, but after reading through this thread, I don't think I can.

Here's my thing. I completely agree with free speech and the right to believe what you want. If the president of Chick-fil-a has a different opinion about something than I do, then all the more kudos to him. But when he starts endangering lives because of his opinion, then that is where the problem starts. The groups that he has donated money to have a lovely list of things on their agenda including:

1. Advocating for criminalization of LGBT people.
2. Claiming to be able to "cure" homosexuality.
3. Calling LGBT people a threat to society and children.
4. Trying to stop the USA from disapproving Uganda's anti-homosexuality bill.

So from that list, it would seem that not only does he disapprove of homosexuality, he wants to get rid of all homosexual people, which would put the lives of homosexuals at risk. Suddenly it's not just about free speech anymore but rather the safety of a group of people.

And for all those who have been calling *** or pro-gay people intolerant because we don't like the conservative opinions, let me tell you conservatives this: we did tolerate your opinions. We tolerated it when back in the day you tried to kill gays or persecute them or force them to take hormones to "turn them straight." We didn't show mass intolerance until the Stonewall Riots. And now suddenly in the present when we have the courage to stand up for ourselves, we're the ones who are intolerant? Because we don't like the opinions of those who didn't tolerate us for decades and actively showed it? I'm sorry, but it seems like gays/pro-gays have a lot better reason to be slightly intolerant than anti-gays do.

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 Post subject: Re: chick-fil-a
PostPosted: August 11th, 2012, 7:25 pm 
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Jamie wrote:
Sigh. I was going to try and avoid this conversation, but after reading through this thread, I don't think I can.

Here's my thing. I completely agree with free speech and the right to believe what you want. If the president of Chick-fil-a has a different opinion about something than I do, then all the more kudos to him. But when he starts endangering lives because of his opinion, then that is where the problem starts. The groups that he has donated money to have a lovely list of things on their agenda including:

1. Advocating for criminalization of LGBT people.
2. Claiming to be able to "cure" homosexuality.
3. Calling LGBT people a threat to society and children.
4. Trying to stop the USA from disapproving Uganda's anti-homosexuality bill.

So from that list, it would seem that not only does he disapprove of homosexuality, he wants to get rid of all homosexual people, which would put the lives of homosexuals at risk. Suddenly it's not just about free speech anymore but rather the safety of a group of people.

And for all those who have been calling *** or pro-gay people intolerant because we don't like the conservative opinions, let me tell you conservatives this: we did tolerate your opinions. We tolerated it when back in the day you tried to kill gays or persecute them or force them to take hormones to "turn them straight." We didn't show mass intolerance until the Stonewall Riots. And now suddenly in the present when we have the courage to stand up for ourselves, we're the ones who are intolerant? Because we don't like the opinions of those who didn't tolerate us for decades and actively showed it? I'm sorry, but it seems like gays/pro-gays have a lot better reason to be slightly intolerant than anti-gays do.

Dan Cathy himself or Chick-Fil-A as a company?

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Jamie wrote:
Sigh. I was going to try and avoid this conversation, but after reading through this thread, I don't think I can.

Here's my thing. I completely agree with free speech and the right to believe what you want. If the president of Chick-fil-a has a different opinion about something than I do, then all the more kudos to him. But when he starts endangering lives because of his opinion, then that is where the problem starts. The groups that he has donated money to have a lovely list of things on their agenda including:

1. Advocating for criminalization of LGBT people.
2. Claiming to be able to "cure" homosexuality.
3. Calling LGBT people a threat to society and children.
4. Trying to stop the USA from disapproving Uganda's anti-homosexuality bill.

So from that list, it would seem that not only does he disapprove of homosexuality, he wants to get rid of all homosexual people, which would put the lives of homosexuals at risk. Suddenly it's not just about free speech anymore but rather the safety of a group of people.

And for all those who have been calling *** or pro-gay people intolerant because we don't like the conservative opinions, let me tell you conservatives this: we did tolerate your opinions. We tolerated it when back in the day you tried to kill gays or persecute them or force them to take hormones to "turn them straight." We didn't show mass intolerance until the Stonewall Riots. And now suddenly in the present when we have the courage to stand up for ourselves, we're the ones who are intolerant? Because we don't like the opinions of those who didn't tolerate us for decades and actively showed it? I'm sorry, but it seems like gays/pro-gays have a lot better reason to be slightly intolerant than anti-gays do.


I agree.


But seriously in a thread that makes me want to hate lots of people*, your post makes me happy.

*don't wanna hate but it's disgusting.


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Jamie wrote:
Sigh. I was going to try and avoid this conversation, but after reading through this thread, I don't think I can.

Here's my thing. I completely agree with free speech and the right to believe what you want. If the president of Chick-fil-a has a different opinion about something than I do, then all the more kudos to him. But when he starts endangering lives because of his opinion, then that is where the problem starts. The groups that he has donated money to have a lovely list of things on their agenda including:

1. Advocating for criminalization of LGBT people.
2. Claiming to be able to "cure" homosexuality.
3. Calling LGBT people a threat to society and children.
4. Trying to stop the USA from disapproving Uganda's anti-homosexuality bill.

So from that list, it would seem that not only does he disapprove of homosexuality, he wants to get rid of all homosexual people, which would put the lives of homosexuals at risk. Suddenly it's not just about free speech anymore but rather the safety of a group of people.

And for all those who have been calling *** or pro-gay people intolerant because we don't like the conservative opinions, let me tell you conservatives this: we did tolerate your opinions. We tolerated it when back in the day you tried to kill gays or persecute them or force them to take hormones to "turn them straight." We didn't show mass intolerance until the Stonewall Riots. And now suddenly in the present when we have the courage to stand up for ourselves, we're the ones who are intolerant? Because we don't like the opinions of those who didn't tolerate us for decades and actively showed it? I'm sorry, but it seems like gays/pro-gays have a lot better reason to be slightly intolerant than anti-gays do.


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Jamie wrote:
Sigh. I was going to try and avoid this conversation, but after reading through this thread, I don't think I can.

Here's my thing. I completely agree with free speech and the right to believe what you want. If the president of Chick-fil-a has a different opinion about something than I do, then all the more kudos to him. But when he starts endangering lives because of his opinion, then that is where the problem starts. The groups that he has donated money to have a lovely list of things on their agenda including:

1. Advocating for criminalization of LGBT people.
2. Claiming to be able to "cure" homosexuality.
3. Calling LGBT people a threat to society and children.
4. Trying to stop the USA from disapproving Uganda's anti-homosexuality bill.

So from that list, it would seem that not only does he disapprove of homosexuality, he wants to get rid of all homosexual people, which would put the lives of homosexuals at risk. Suddenly it's not just about free speech anymore but rather the safety of a group of people.

And for all those who have been calling *** or pro-gay people intolerant because we don't like the conservative opinions, let me tell you conservatives this: we did tolerate your opinions. We tolerated it when back in the day you tried to kill gays or persecute them or force them to take hormones to "turn them straight." We didn't show mass intolerance until the Stonewall Riots. And now suddenly in the present when we have the courage to stand up for ourselves, we're the ones who are intolerant? Because we don't like the opinions of those who didn't tolerate us for decades and actively showed it? I'm sorry, but it seems like gays/pro-gays have a lot better reason to be slightly intolerant than anti-gays do.


Your going to sit there and rip apart Dan Cathy for donating money to groups prevent *** marriage? Are you aware of what your Liberal buddy George Soros donates to. He pumps billions in to groups that are far more questionable or have no intent then other to smear Conservatives.

Take a Look: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237

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I was thinking about this topic last night and had a question. How many in this topic would criminalize what the CEO of Chick-fil-a said? How many would criminalize donating to the organizations he supports or even ban organizations like that?

Same goes the other way, how many of you conservatives posting here would criminalize someone if they said publicly they supported a pro-choice group? How many would criminalize donating to this pro-choice group? Would you ban organizations like that?

If yes, that is the problem (on both sides) not the belief itself.

Feel free to swap in any type of organization you want.

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Jamie wrote:
Sigh. I was going to try and avoid this conversation, but after reading through this thread, I don't think I can.

Here's my thing. I completely agree with free speech and the right to believe what you want. If the president of Chick-fil-a has a different opinion about something than I do, then all the more kudos to him. But when he starts endangering lives because of his opinion, then that is where the problem starts. The groups that he has donated money to have a lovely list of things on their agenda including:

1. Advocating for criminalization of LGBT people.
2. Claiming to be able to "cure" homosexuality.
3. Calling LGBT people a threat to society and children.
4. Trying to stop the USA from disapproving Uganda's anti-homosexuality bill.

So from that list, it would seem that not only does he disapprove of homosexuality, he wants to get rid of all homosexual people, which would put the lives of homosexuals at risk. Suddenly it's not just about free speech anymore but rather the safety of a group of people.

And for all those who have been calling *** or pro-gay people intolerant because we don't like the conservative opinions, let me tell you conservatives this: we did tolerate your opinions. We tolerated it when back in the day you tried to kill gays or persecute them or force them to take hormones to "turn them straight." We didn't show mass intolerance until the Stonewall Riots. And now suddenly in the present when we have the courage to stand up for ourselves, we're the ones who are intolerant? Because we don't like the opinions of those who didn't tolerate us for decades and actively showed it? I'm sorry, but it seems like gays/pro-gays have a lot better reason to be slightly intolerant than anti-gays do.

I don't think that you can prove he is endangering lives due to his opinions or monetary contributions. I'd like to see the number of violent acts committed against gays only because of Cathy's words and actions.

Also, to say that "he wants to get rid of all homosexual people" is a complete inference. All Cathy has said is that he support traditional marriage. This doesn't mean that he goes out of his way to see it's eradication...and frankly, I think this is far from the truth.

I'm sure that he support these organizations or groups monetary for reasons other than those stated above. Just because an individual donates to a group doesn't mean that they agree with every stance that group takes or support them for those stances they don't like.

Even if Cathy were for the eradication of homosexuality, I'd like to hear your explanation behind the safety of a group of people being completely determined by one individual's opinions and monetary contributions. Groups become endangered when society views them in a bad light, not just an individual. Since I don't see all of society turning against *** people, I'm sure that their safety is about the same as it would be if Cathy had not said anything at all.

Lastly, I'd point out that monetary decisions are tied in with freedom of association. Cathy is free to associate with any groups he likes as well as free to give his money to any cause he wishes. If he is willing to give money to organizations opposed to homosexuality, I'm sure their are people on the other side willing to give to organizations who do support homosexuality as well.

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groups that are far more questionable or have no intent then other to smear Conservatives.

National Public Radio: Founded in 1970 with 90 public radio stations as charter members, NPR is today a loose network of more than 750 U.S. radio stations across the country, many of which are based on college and university campuses.

I've yet to hear conservative-smearing.

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groups that are far more questionable or have no intent then other to smear Conservatives.

National Public Radio: Founded in 1970 with 90 public radio stations as charter members, NPR is today a loose network of more than 750 U.S. radio stations across the country, many of which are based on college and university campuses.

I've yet to hear conservative-smearing.

Just head over to Moveon.Org, I'm sure you can find some quality journalism their.

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