Are burgers a sandwich??

Aquw VettelS 776 · **Posted:** August 10th, 2010, 1:53 pm

I don't see the big deal. Sure £0 is better than £14, but that's still a small amount of money over a two year period. I don't care what their reasoning is- even if it's just to give their staff a Christmas bonus...

Adbot · **Posted:** August 10th, 2010, 1:53 pm

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** August 10th, 2010, 3:13 pm

Aquw VettelS 776 wrote:

I don't see the big deal. Sure £0 is better than £14, but that's still a small amount of money over a two year period. I don't care what their reasoning is- even if it's just to give their staff a Christmas bonus...

We've settled that little problem and came to the conclusion if you support it your going to be beheaded. So mind what you say. The topic now is are burgers a sandwich? Most seem to think so I'm not convinced myself.

If i ask for a sandwich and i get a cheese burger show up I'll ask where my sandwich is.

Duke Juker · RSBandB Donor since 07/01/2010

King Kulla wrote:

Duke Juker wrote:

I think the difference to not is that the meat in a burger is cooked and usually served hot, whereas a sandwich will be served cold with cold cuts and other various things. If you want to go by technicalities, you can call it a sandwich, but in all honesty, a burger is a burger because of the patty you are putting in it. That's what makes it not a pure sandwich.

A grilled cheese sandwich is hot. A toasted sandwich is also hot.

But we call it a burger because of linguistic slang from when they were first "invented" that has carried over into our modern vernacular.

But you can't just call it a meat sandwich. There are also sloppy joes and other types of meat "sandwichs" to choose from. Although, now that I think about it, can't you just call a burger a special type of sandwich. I mean, the same can be said for subs and other deli dishes. But I want to call it a sub or burger because that's what I understand it as and they aren't intrinsically like a sandwich in nature. The broader you make the specifications for a sandwich, the more gray are you are creating.

King Kulla · **Posted:** August 10th, 2010, 6:55 pm

Duke Juker wrote:

King Kulla wrote:

Duke Juker wrote:

I think the difference to not is that the meat in a burger is cooked and usually served hot, whereas a sandwich will be served cold with cold cuts and other various things. If you want to go by technicalities, you can call it a sandwich, but in all honesty, a burger is a burger because of the patty you are putting in it. That's what makes it not a pure sandwich.

A grilled cheese sandwich is hot. A toasted sandwich is also hot.

But we call it a burger because of linguistic slang from when they were first "invented" that has carried over into our modern vernacular.

But you can't just call it a meat sandwich. There are also sloppy joes and other types of meat "sandwichs" to choose from. Although, now that I think about it, can't you just call a burger a special type of sandwich. I mean, the same can be said for subs and other deli dishes. But I want to call it a sub or burger because that's what I understand it as and they aren't intrinsically like a sandwich in nature. The broader you make the specifications for a sandwich, the more gray are you are creating.

What's stopping us from calling it a meat sandwich? You basically agreed with me - cultural norms have cause most of the western world to call it a burger. So, we call it a burger. However, we could have easily called it something else had circumstances been different.

What I'm saying is that it essentially is a sandwich because of components, but we call it a burger, because that way we can linguistically group more "sandwiches" into the "burger group", such as a cheeseburger, or baconburger, etc.

Phresh Phob · **Posted:** August 10th, 2010, 11:03 pm

Wow, I had a debate with someone over this the other day, before I saw the topic. Burgers are a sandwich, it's a piece of meat in between two pieces of bread.

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** August 10th, 2010, 11:39 pm

Phresh Phob wrote:

Wow, I had a debate with someone over this the other day, before I saw the topic. Burgers are a sandwich, it's a piece of meat in between two pieces of bread.

So a hotdog is a sandwich as well?

Adbot · **Posted:** August 10th, 2010, 11:39 pm

King Kulla · **Posted:** August 11th, 2010, 1:14 am

CreepyPirate wrote:

Phresh Phob wrote:

Wow, I had a debate with someone over this the other day, before I saw the topic. Burgers are a sandwich, it's a piece of meat in between two pieces of bread.

So a hotdog is a sandwich as well?

A hotdog bun isn't two pieces of bread. Of course, you can MAKE it two pieces by cutting it in two, but I digress.

Kenny · **Posted:** August 11th, 2010, 2:15 am

Duke Juker wrote:

King Kulla wrote:

Duke Juker wrote:

I think the difference to not is that the meat in a burger is cooked and usually served hot, whereas a sandwich will be served cold with cold cuts and other various things. If you want to go by technicalities, you can call it a sandwich, but in all honesty, a burger is a burger because of the patty you are putting in it. That's what makes it not a pure sandwich.

A grilled cheese sandwich is hot. A toasted sandwich is also hot.

But we call it a burger because of linguistic slang from when they were first "invented" that has carried over into our modern vernacular.

But you can't just call it a meat sandwich. There are also sloppy joes and other types of meat "sandwichs" to choose from. Although, now that I think about it, can't you just call a burger a special type of sandwich. I mean, the same can be said for subs and other deli dishes. But I want to call it a sub or burger because that's what I understand it as and they aren't intrinsically like a sandwich in nature. The broader you make the specifications for a sandwich, the more gray are you are creating.

So if we want a cheese burger we must ask for a Special Meat and Cheese Sandwich?

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** August 11th, 2010, 3:39 am

King Kulla wrote:

CreepyPirate wrote:

Phresh Phob wrote:

Wow, I had a debate with someone over this the other day, before I saw the topic. Burgers are a sandwich, it's a piece of meat in between two pieces of bread.

So a hotdog is a sandwich as well?

A hotdog bun isn't two pieces of bread. Of course, you can MAKE it two pieces by cutting it in two, but I digress.

sandwich:
a. Two or more slices of bread with a filling such as meat or cheese placed between them.
b. A partly split long or round roll containing a filling.
c. One slice of bread covered with a filling.

It's a partly split long roll with a filling. Isn't it?

King Kulla · **Posted:** August 11th, 2010, 9:04 am

CreepyPirate wrote:

sandwich:
a. Two or more slices of bread with a filling such as meat or cheese placed between them.
b. A partly split long or round roll containing a filling.
c. One slice of bread covered with a filling.

It's a partly split long roll with a filling. Isn't it?

Sure. But what if it isn't a long roll? Perhaps it's a short roll. What then, clever spammer? Huh? Huh?

trekkie · **Posted:** August 11th, 2010, 11:46 am

then is a hotdog a sandwich? :p come on clever man

Duke Juker · RSBandB Donor since 07/01/2010

I'd suggest looking up the etymologies behind the words to gain a little better understanding perhaps.

Burger
Hamburger
Sandwich

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** August 12th, 2010, 1:56 am

King Kulla wrote:

CreepyPirate wrote:

sandwich:
a. Two or more slices of bread with a filling such as meat or cheese placed between them.
b. A partly split long or round roll containing a filling.
c. One slice of bread covered with a filling.

It's a partly split long roll with a filling. Isn't it?

Sure. But what if it isn't a long roll? Perhaps it's a short roll. What then, clever spammer? Huh? Huh?

Well your hotdog sausage would fall out wouldn't it? The rolls not long enough!

King Kulla · **Posted:** August 12th, 2010, 6:45 am

It also depends on what exactly we are referring to. Is it a hamburger or hotdog in it's complete form, or just the meat? Because if you go to the grocery store to pick up hotdogs or hamburgers, you aren't picking up the buns and condiments with them readymade.

Therefore it seems that these particular cases, the sandwich was named after the meat "filling" because it's pretty distinctive how you eat a hamburger or a hotdog. Ham, chicken, turkey, etc can all be eaten in a variety of ways, so we don't say we're eating a "ham", we say we're eating a "ham sandwich" so as to not confuse it with actually eating a whole ham.

So out of all this - I'd say yes, hamburgers and hotdogs are sandwiches, but they aren't called sandwiches because they are prepared in one form, and so the linguistic evolution has cause us to call it by a simpler name.

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