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PostPosted: January 10th, 2010, 11:34 pm 
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Now, I know I'm late to the Watchmen party, but I was at my Grandma's house yesterday and Watchmen was on HBO. I watched it, and it was actually a really good movie.

Now, before I start, these are my thoughts on the movie, and it's my opinion. I will be having it all in a big spoiler tag because I can't be bothered to go and make everything look spoiler-proof.

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Spoiler for Watchmen Thoughts:

First off, when the movie first started and it showed the 'shadowy figure' killing The Comedian, I thought it was a pretty weird when The Comedian said "I guess it was just a matter of time." and then they engage in a long and violent battle, which ends with him being picked up and tossed out of a window. What was he implying when he said "I guess it was just a matter of time"? It might have been explained to me at the end of the movie when they all confront 'the killer', but I might have not paid much attention to the end and don't remember why he killed him.

Now after that first scene, I have to admit, I loved the beginning credits scene. They did a great job on that. The part where it showed JFK getting shot and then the camera turns to the right and it was The Comedian who shot him had me laughing pretty hard.

The introduction to Rorschach was pretty cool, and him being played by Jackie Earle Haley made him that much cooler. His speech while he searched The Comedian's house was pretty well thought-out and intelligent. I was pretty amazed at it. I also love his mask. Why does the black stuff blob around and turn into different patterns that look like ink pallets? Maybe it was explained to me when he got caught by the police and was being shown the ink pallets later on, but I don't know.

But the introduction to Dr. Manhattan and Silk Spectre II was pretty cool. But one thing: Dr. Manhattan. Why does he not wear any clothes for 99% of the movie? I think they were going for that whole 'natural' look or whatever, but come on... At least put some kind of clothes on him. Seeing blue sausage the whole film is pretty pointless, and they could have made it so he doesn't have genitalia like they do in most cartoons or something. It was just disturbing to see that the whole film. But eventually you get over it and stop paying attention to it, I guess.

Now the whole The Comedian raping Silk Spectre was just unneeded and just disturbing. It was a terrible scene, not direction wise, but just how violent it gets.

Also, the scene where it just turns to Silk Spectre II and Dr. Manhattan's several clones having *** with Silk Spectre II while she's asleep was just weird. Pointless, weird, and slightly arousing. xD

When Silk Spectre II leaves Dr. Manhattan and she and Nite Owl II start having *** for the first time was just like... Really? Why would you do this when you just left your boyfriend? At least Nite Owl II thought it was wrong and decided to stop. Now, the second time, however, was just pointless. I was laughing when heard the song they were playing. xD Also, why would they have *** up in their ship for no reason? It had nothing to do with the plot and it had nothing to do with what was going on up on Mars with Dr. Manhattan. It was still a pretty well-done scene.

When Rorschach gets caught by the police for something he didn't do was pretty strange. When he was getting interrogated and was being shown the ink pallets was a great scene. It showed just how crazy Rorschach is and what he's gone through. I also was severely disturbed when it was the six year-old kidnap investigation. It made me sick to think that that guy would chop her up and feed her to his dogs. Then that ******* has the attitude to say "All right, I admit it. I kidnapped her. I killed her. Arrest me." I was like LOLWUT? Arrest you right after he found out you killed a six year-old girl, chopped her up, and fer her to your dogs? You serious? I totally agreed when Rorschach said "Men go to jail. Dogs get put down." and kills him. It was a "You're going to die as painful and terrible as your victim"

Now comes the real spoilers.

When I found out it was that one billionaire guy who did all of the destruction it was just shocking. What a twist. I thought it was pretty crazy how he explained what he did was not done in a malicious way. Rorschach of course did not like the fact that he did it at all and decided to storm out and go and try to tell someone that it was the billionaire guy who did it. It was shocking what happened next. Dr. Manhattan tells him that he can't allow Rorschach to say anythin because it would cause another global crisis. Rorschach starts to talk to him and try to prove a point and then eventually he tells Dr. Manhattan to do it (kill him) and eventually he does. It was a complete and utter surprise. I thought Rorschach was the most badass person ever, and when he started crying before Dr. Manhattan killed him just made the death that much more shocking. When he was talk to Dr. Manhattan before he died I knew exactly what was going to happen and my jaw hit the floor. Then, after he got killed, they had to set the mood and go eagle eye view his splatter spot. It was sad. When Nite Owl II screams "NOOOO!!!" it showed you just how close they were.

Here's the video of his death. It's still shocking as hell.


God. This movie was great. I could have gone without the man-sausage but hey, it was still really good. I would watch it again in a heartbeat.

I give the movie a 5/5, a 10/10, a 1337/1337.

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 Post subject: Re: Watchmen
PostPosted: January 11th, 2010, 10:28 am 
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i didn't think it was that great.

it felt very bland. i just didn't feel any wow factor

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PostPosted: January 11th, 2010, 2:01 pm 
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I thought the movie was mediocre. Watchmen was a terrific graphical novel to me ( I re-read it over around 20 times now), but I just couldn't see it being a good movie. The fact they completely changed the ending disappointed me killing the most important point Alan Moore was trying to make when originally writing the novel. It felt completely uninspried to me and the songs by themselves were quite good, but couldn't just quite fit in there. I personally think that it would be no easy task for any director to try to make a good Watchmen movie no matter how hard they tried.


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PostPosted: January 11th, 2010, 3:05 pm 
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To me, It was the worst super-hero movie in the history right after the horrible Batman & Robin (with Mr Freeze).

Story is pretty much messed up and turns into confusion. Costumes are absolute abomination. And I think most of characters are ridiculous. (Except Rorschach)
And it was very long. Too long.
The ending was previsible and kind of cliché to me.

I'd give it a 3/10, and I'm being generous. I really disliked it :(

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 Post subject: Re: Watchmen
PostPosted: January 14th, 2010, 1:17 am 
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I'll try to answer as many of your questions as possible in the best way I know. [-o< My answers have a hyphen before them and are in brackets. I won't address how it's played out in the novel because unfortunately, I haven't read it yet. But I'm planning too. I caught most of what happened in the movie, though.

Spoiler for Watchmen Thoughts analyzed:

First off, when the movie first started and it showed the 'shadowy figure' killing The Comedian, I thought it was a pretty weird when The Comedian said "I guess it was just a matter of time." and then they engage in a long and violent battle, which ends with him being picked up and tossed out of a window. What was he implying when he said "I guess it was just a matter of time"? It might have been explained to me at the end of the movie when they all confront 'the killer', but I might have not paid much attention to the end and don't remember why he killed him.

{-At the end of the movie, it is somewhat made apparent why Ozymandias, a.k.a. billionaire/"bad guy," (quotes to be explained) killed the Comedian. In order for Ozymandias' plan to work, no one could reveal his plan. He kills anyone and everyone to make sure no one knows. At the end, his plan is made clear, but the Comedian was a liability at the time and, just like Rorschach, had to be killed in order to prevent anyone from finding out the truth behind the "nuclear detonations." If the Comedian had never found it out in the first place, none of the heroes would have had to die, but world peace would still be insured, Ozymandias' number one goal.}

Now after that first scene, I have to admit, I loved the beginning credits scene. They did a great job on that. The part where it showed JFK getting shot and then the camera turns to the right and it was The Comedian who shot him had me laughing pretty hard.

The introduction to Rorschach was pretty cool, and him being played by Jackie Earle Haley made him that much cooler. His speech while he searched The Comedian's house was pretty well thought-out and intelligent. I was pretty amazed at it. I also love his mask. Why does the black stuff blob around and turn into different patterns that look like ink pallets? Maybe it was explained to me when he got caught by the police and was being shown the ink pallets later on, but I don't know.

{-I wondered too how his mask worked. So...I googled it. It turns out that the mask was made by Dr. Manhattan.
Quote:
The fabric, a new material created by Dr. Manhattan, contains heat-sensitive liquids between layers of latex to create black-on-white shifting color. Kovacs recovered the material from a rejected dress that had been a special order by a young woman with an Italian name.[5] Two years later, Kitty Genovese was murdered, and when Kovacs read about the unresponsiveness of her neighbors, he became disgusted not only with crime but the underlying selfishness inherent in all people. Inspired by Genovese's fate (he later told his prison psychiatrist "Woman who ordered dress. Kitty Genovese. I'm sure that was the woman's name.")[5], he fashioned a mask from the dress's fabric and began fighting crime as the vigilante Rorschach.

The awesome part about the mask is that the black blots never mix with the white and make shades of gray (or grey :P). This to me reveals the worldview of Rorschach. Everything is black and white. There is no gray area. This is how he sees crime and the world around him. I may be a little off there, but I think you get the general jist of what I'm saying.}

But the introduction to Dr. Manhattan and Silk Spectre II was pretty cool. But one thing: Dr. Manhattan. Why does he not wear any clothes for 99% of the movie? I think they were going for that whole 'natural' look or whatever, but come on... At least put some kind of clothes on him. Seeing blue sausage the whole film is pretty pointless, and they could have made it so he doesn't have genitalia like they do in most cartoons or something. It was just disturbing to see that the whole film. But eventually you get over it and stop paying attention to it, I guess.

{- I actually didn't pay much attention to this during the movie. I probably just sub-conscientiously ignored it. I believe he does say in the movie he finds it 'uncomfortable' to wear clothes. Otherwise, he really has no reason to wear clothes. The movie pretty much makes him out to be a god for the most part and gods don't really need clothes. Since he's really no longer human, he doesn't really care for decency anymore. At the same time, I thought like you mentioned that why does he even have genitalia? I thought people who were affected by nuclear material were usually sterile. Guess he didn't get the memo, although it is clear in the movie he can't have '***' or enjoy gratification with the Silk Spectre II. He can only gratify her, but again, since he's no longer human and transfigured, he no longer finds pleasure in the physical world. That's my best guess :? .}

Now the whole The Comedian raping Silk Spectre was just unneeded and just disturbing. It was a terrible scene, not direction wise, but just how violent it gets.

{-I agree. The only thing it might show is the Comedian's very low character and worldly personality. Like you said, probably unneeded. We already get the point that he's a pretty sketchy guy, especially in Vietnam where he shoots the women he impregnates.}

Also, the scene where it just turns to Silk Spectre II and Dr. Manhattan's several clones having *** with Silk Spectre II while she's asleep was just weird. Pointless, weird, and slightly arousing. xD

{-See above notes. It's not '***.' He's just attempting to gratify her. Again, probably not needed. It does make it clear how impersonal he is while he works and gratifies her at the same time (however efficient that may be [-X ). Note: I think the movie was quite graphic and added those scenes unnecessarily. But that's just my theory. :wink: }

When Silk Spectre II leaves Dr. Manhattan and she and Nite Owl II start having *** for the first time was just like... Really? Why would you do this when you just left your boyfriend? At least Nite Owl II thought it was wrong and decided to stop. Now, the second time, however, was just pointless. I was laughing when heard the song they were playing. xD Also, why would they have *** up in their ship for no reason? It had nothing to do with the plot and it had nothing to do with what was going on up on Mars with Dr. Manhattan. It was still a pretty well-done scene.

{-See above notes. Hey, that ship is pretty convenient being up in the air away from everyone else. Again, not needed. She's just desperate at that point and he goes along. :? }

When Rorschach gets caught by the police for something he didn't do was pretty strange...

{-I think the police were trying to catch him throughout the movie. The arrest is more like a frame, which would help explain why they came at the exact time and caught him. Otherwise, he would have been in and out in minutes.}

...When he was getting interrogated and was being shown the ink pallets was a great scene. It showed just how crazy Rorschach is and what he's gone through. I also was severely disturbed when it was the six year-old kidnap investigation. It made me sick to think that that guy would chop her up and feed her to his dogs. Then that ******* has the attitude to say "All right, I admit it. I kidnapped her. I killed her. Arrest me." I was like LOLWUT? Arrest you right after he found out you killed a six year-old girl, chopped her up, and fer her to your dogs? You serious? I totally agreed when Rorschach said "Men go to jail. Dogs get put down." and kills him. It was a "You're going to die as painful and terrible as your victim"

{-Not right imo, but you can't blame Rorschach. Who wouldn't have done the same thing or something just as horrible if they were Rorschach? As I said earlier, I believe this was why the police were after him, for killing the guy (or that he was breaking the law by continuing to be a superhero). Either way, he's a messed up dude, but very, very intelligent. Don't discount him for being a little psychotic.}

Now comes the real spoilers.

When I found out it was that one billionaire guy...

{-Ozymandias. Just a reminder. :wink: }

...who did all of the destruction it was just shocking.

{-You got to admit though that it wasn't a bad idea. As I said earlier, he played it out very well and succeeded. And all for world peace. I had quoted it earlier when I said "bad guy" because he really doesn't have a bad motive. His means to get at world peace are terrible, but in every sense, he's a good guy at heart with twisted planning skills. He is the smartest human in the world. Dr. Manhattan is, of course, smarter.}

What a twist. I thought it was pretty crazy how he explained what he did was not done in a malicious way. Rorschach of course did not like the fact that he did it at all and decided to storm out and go and try to tell someone that it was the billionaire guy who did it. It was shocking what happened next. Dr. Manhattan tells him that he can't allow Rorschach to say anythin because it would cause another global crisis. Rorschach starts to talk to him and try to prove a point and then eventually he tells Dr. Manhattan to do it (kill him) and eventually he does. It was a complete and utter surprise. I thought Rorschach was the most badass person ever, and when he started crying before Dr. Manhattan killed him just made the death that much more shocking. When he was talk to Dr. Manhattan before he died I knew exactly what was going to happen and my jaw hit the floor. Then, after he got killed, they had to set the mood and go eagle eye view his splatter spot. It was sad. When Nite Owl II screams "NOOOO!!!" it showed you just how close they were.

{-I was super pist, too. It's a very bitter-sweet ending, with emphasis on the bitterness. He is the most badass person ever, (people can tie for that title imo :roll:) but I think it was appropriate for him to cry. He knows he's the only one who will reveal the truth and that Manhattan just won't let him do it. It's a slap in the face. Normally, it wouldn't be a problem and Manhattan wouldn't care, but, Manhattan finds his "humanity" and decides that he has to let this happen. I couldn't figure out why Manhattan couldn't have taken Rorschach with him or do something less drastic. Rorschach probably wanted it to end like it did. He saw it coming and I did too. Not the way I wanted it to end, but nevertheless, it stands. [-X }


Well, that's my two cents worth. Hope it helps. I thought it was a good movie. Not quite as good as you say, Steven, but still pretty darn good. I have promised myself to go read the book soon, but until then the movie is all I know. Anyways, glad you saw it and liked it, despite the bitter-sweet end for Rorschach :-({|= and the promising fate of the world. [-(

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If you get a chance, try reading the graphic novel. It's pretty amazing but some of the stuff just doesn't translate well onto film.

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I really didn't like it, I was actually getting bored after a while. May just be because I'm not a great fan of comic books though.

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I liked it because it was almost dull. It showed that not all superhero life is flashy and like a comic book. It shows that there would be lots of politics involved.

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