Runefest Anti-Botting Presentation

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** November 2nd, 2011, 11:21 am

Mercifull wrote:

I've been on the bot sites and so far I've only see evidence of the colour picker bots (RiD) working. Your arguments contradict, you say that the bots are back working but then admit to the 60% drop in active players? You expect us to disregard everything Jagex have said despite is being clear that there have been mass bannings (rankings going up by tens of thousands without gaining xp) and the huge drop in accounts on-line and yet expect us to believe the bot makers propaganda without any evidence?

If the bot makers have a "working" bot but one which must have its item IDs updated every 2 hours then that's NOT a working bot.

*I* never said the bots was working. How would i know i don't play. If i did I'd probably bot admittedly because i wont be punished for it however what I said was the bot makers claimed they had them working. Then i said users of those bots confirmed it. None of that is a lie I'm simply passing on information rather than believing what Jagex spoon feeds us. Because there not about to come out and say we're boned guys.

What i did say was it slowed them for a week or two. And that Jagex are wasting there time. I stand by that 100% because I'm right.

Don't mistake there words for mine. Think of me as one of those badass news reporters that goes behind enemy lines to get the scoop. I'm knee deep in **** here with crazy Asian gold farmers closing in around me getting YOU the latest news. I'm risking my runescape life here. Jagex could ban me for visiting these sites...well if they bothered banning people anymore. Which I'm convinced they rarely if ever do. And even if they do you can no doubt buy your way back with there stupid new scheme.

Adbot · **Posted:** November 2nd, 2011, 11:21 am

Warren · **Posted:** November 2nd, 2011, 12:28 pm

It's pretty useless to accuse each other of siding with botters just because someone doesn't see much success coming from bot nuke day. In the end we'll see to what degree it worked, but both Jagex and bot makers are confident. Jagex confident that they've solved it and bot makers confident that they'll be back. It'd be nice to think of Jagex as more credible but if you look at the track record, it's been Jagex vs bot makers for like the past decade and the most successful of the two so far have been bot makers. Also, Jagex was confident that if you voted to bring free trade back, there would not be a botting problem. Well, look what happened then.
And if there hasn't been a lot of evidence coming from bot makers to prove they will be back (well I haven't looked and it sounds like there is from what Creepy's posted, but even if there wasn't:), there hasn't been a lot of evidence from Jagex to prove that bots can't come back either.

Obviously I hoped it's worked, but it's no use getting exited for the future so you can enjoy it for now if you want, just don't be surprised if it isn't as effective as projected.

Mercifull · **Posted:** November 2nd, 2011, 12:39 pm

The Cluster Flutterer IS the update they wanted to release when they brought the wildy/free trade back which is why they were confident back then. Sadly there were problems and it wasn't ready until mid October. I got to speak to a lot of jmods at RuneFest including MMG himself and he was VERY confident that they are now winning the war on bots. In my opinion it's far from a PR stunt.

Duke Juker · RSBandB Donor since 07/01/2010

Mercifull wrote:

The Cluster Flutterer IS the update they wanted to release when they brought the wildy/free trade back which is why they were confident back then. Sadly there were problems and it wasn't ready until mid October. I got to speak to a lot of jmods at RuneFest including MMG himself and he was VERY confident that they are now winning the war on bots. In my opinion it's far from a PR stunt.

Confidence ain't worth much and it certainly doesn't win a war. If you don't see it as a PR stunt, then please don't be disappointed or surprised if bots ever come back in mass.

Mercifull · **Posted:** November 2nd, 2011, 1:52 pm

You are right confidence does not win a war. But the changes that have been made to RuneScape are quite drastic and are a rewrite of how the game works. And there are much more changes to come. Jagex are obviously reluctant to go into detail on what exactly the ClusterFlutterer does but from what I can gather it's a combination of things including but not limited to putting the ids of items and npcs into a dynamic array which means that a bot client wouldn't know which id refers to what and so wouldn't know what was a tree to chop, what was a rock to mine or when the magic orb was fired from the frost dragon etc. Not only that but some of the defences Jagex have implemented they said were patented which means that any bot maker who tries to circumvent this is gonna get royally screwed in the courts. This is wayyyyyyy beyond the WIPO violations that allowed Jagex to seize some of their domain names.

Both sites make silly claims, Jagex claims to be able to detect whatever % of bots and the makers claim to be undetectable and somewhere in the middle is probably the truth but Jagex DOESN'T have to make it impossible for bots to work just make it so that the effort required to develop, maintain and defend them in court is more than the revenue they get selling the bots.

Warren · **Posted:** November 2nd, 2011, 2:47 pm

That's weird that they promise if you vote to bring back free trade there will not be a botting problem, and then when their system they were referencing in that isn't going to be ready for months on end they don't delay bringing back free trade... and don't even say, "Oh sorry, about the promise, we're going to have a slight botting problem for the next year if you vote yes" but rather just keep hyping it. And then never apologize for allowing it happen, rather do BOT NUKE DAY OMG!

If I hadn't voted no I'd be pretty angry that they played me like that.

Adbot · **Posted:** November 2nd, 2011, 2:47 pm

Mercifull · **Posted:** November 4th, 2011, 12:48 pm

So the bot site counter hit 00:00:00...

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Why have you put an end to RSBuddy’s bot client?

Bots have changed the gameplay of RuneScape. With the use of bots becoming increasingly widespread since the introduction of free trade, and the recent announcements by Jagex, it is clear that bots have become flagrantly detrimental to the game. If you’re like any of us and you enjoy playing RuneScape, you’ll have noticed that bots are anti-social and make the time you spend playing feel diminished in worth. At the same time, bots are abused heavily by gold farmers to ruin the game to a significant extent only for their profit. We hope to assist in the selfless movement by Jagex in fixing this problem and hope that you will join us in playing the game with real people.

To some this will seem like a quick change of heart. See my interview with Ability44 on YouTube.

Is this the end of all botting in RuneScape?

Yes. I am confident that you will not see the return of major bot clients to RuneScape, and that the small number of simple 'auto-clickers' and 'screen-scrapers' that remain will be dealt with very soon.

Another bot site says they’ll be up soon; why shouldn’t we believe them?

The other bot sites out there may claim for a bit longer that they will fix their bots within the next few days or weeks: Had I decided to release RSBuddy 1.5 to the public, it would have required another overhaul just a few days later. The fact that no other botting sites had any update ready by the end of last week shows how exceedingly far behind they are. Don’t hold your breath.

I know another huge MMO that hasn’t dealt with bots; what makes RuneScape different?

Removing bots from the game requires both commercial investment and the time of talented developers with other updates to work on. I haven’t seen any other company willing to take that hit; it requires a huge amount of care for the game we’re here for.

I used RSBuddy on my account, am I going to be banned?

The information we have on customers and users is private and won’t be used to ban any accounts. We hope that you have come to understand why botting has no place in the game and take this opportunity to become part of the RuneScape community.

I purchased a premium script, am I entitled to a refund?

If you purchased a script within 7 days of the update last Tuesday we will happily refund your purchase on request. Any purchases made before this time are not eligible for refunds. Information on subscription changes is available on our subscriptions page.

This is the end for bots, not for you!

It’s not only you that doesn’t have a bot client to use. RuneScape is a social game for humans to play. If you feel that there was anything botting did to keep you interested in the game, please join the discussion of what updates would remove any need for them.

Lord Rickles · **Posted:** November 4th, 2011, 4:45 pm

That, my friends, is what we like to call an EPIC WIN.

trekkie · **Posted:** November 4th, 2011, 6:10 pm

Why have you put an end to RSBuddy’s bot client?

So does that mean that the bot program no longer works, or was this something else?

and was the person being interviewed somebody from jagex or somebody from the rsbuddy site?

i am confused

Warren · **Posted:** November 4th, 2011, 8:11 pm

It's like a lead person from RSBuddy, he decided that after making so much money off it, he'd try to make himself look like a good guy or something so that people would forget he sold bots to people and gold farmers.

And it looks more of a "change of heart" or bought out type deal thingy rather than an admission of defeat. IDK tho

Evelyn · **Posted:** November 4th, 2011, 10:51 pm

He's made his fortune and he's gonna retire now.

trekkie · **Posted:** November 4th, 2011, 11:42 pm

huh i see. you would think that would have been leaked on torrents and pirated to hell.

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** November 5th, 2011, 6:45 am

Yup. Hes pretty much claiming hes too stupid to fix it so no one else will.

It's all BS.

Ataronchronon · **Posted:** November 5th, 2011, 6:28 pm

Bots haven't come back yet, yay

Uncle Dano · **12 99's on 12/12/12!**

Pretty much proven since RSBuddy has folded. Beaten! Badly I might add. That was no change of heart by the head of RSBuddy botting software, that was a cowardly attempt to redeem himself and not admit that he got totally... Well actually I think the most appropriate phrase definately is PWNED. I have faith that bots will never return again, not in any way measurable anyway. =)

Now, let's play the game the way it was intended to be played.