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PostPosted: April 18th, 2011, 3:16 am 
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Yeah, I reckon it's a good idea also!

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 Post subject: Re: Sandbox
PostPosted: April 18th, 2011, 10:21 am 
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It has its great topics with great ammount of replies. But nothing compares to 2006 (?), when I logged in the morning, there was at least 3-4 new topics in every sections. Plus about the same ammount during the day.

Now it's always the same topics getting posted in. The activity is alright when it comes to replying, but not when it comes to creating.
That's why I think a Chat Forum will be helpful, people will feel free to post whatever they want. And if it doesn't work, just remove it like you did with litterature (lawl)

That's not so complicated...Try it, it works good, if not, screw that.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandbox
PostPosted: April 18th, 2011, 12:44 pm 
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That's why I think a Chat Forum will be helpful, people will feel free to post whatever they want. And if it doesn't work, just remove it like you did with litterature (lawl)

That's not so complicated...Try it, it works good, if not, screw that.

That technically sounds like Non-Runescape Discussion, which indeed is a form of sandbox/chat forum. All you would have to do is change the name and there you have it. xD

Honestly, I just don't think there is all that much interesting stuff going on right now. I mean, I could browse Drudge Report for 5 minutes and give you probably 10 different topics, but I don't think too many people are interested at the moment.

Oh, and Creepy...those were two bad examples in your post. First, Iron Maiden and I had about 6 of the 10 replies in his topic, which points out that basically its mostly two people interested and talking about something in a topic. As for your topic, it's about Runescape and last time I checked, this is a forum primarily focused on Runescape. Hence, of course you will get interest towards your topic since most people here play Runescape and are interested in talking about it. Not to mention Dungeoneering is one of the bigger topics in Runescape atm still. If anything, that continues to prove that there isn't much Non-Runescape related chatter going on and that we are missing some people that would otherwise contribute often to activity around here. Once summer hits, I think we'll have a little more interest and activity around here. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Sandbox
PostPosted: April 18th, 2011, 2:24 pm 
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Example of why we need the sand box. I want to respond "lol" but I cant, its spam. Is there really a response I can post on it? No, not really.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandbox
PostPosted: April 18th, 2011, 2:34 pm 
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That's right. Chat Forum/Sandbox/Whatever doesn't equal Non RS Discussion. Non RS Discussion is mean to be a place where people can have serious conversations and strong opinion about something. Chat Forum is bound to post without a real point. You post things for the heck of it. And you don't mind of people replies 'lmfao nice!' or 'rofl thats awesome!' because you posted a really funny picture/whatever. That's something you can't do in Non RS Discussion. And that's why Chat Forum =/= Non RS Discussion.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandbox
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Yeah, that's why there should be at least a thread where members can kick back and relax.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandbox
PostPosted: April 18th, 2011, 4:16 pm 
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Example of why we need the sand box. I want to respond "lol" but I cant, its spam. Is there really a response I can post on it? No, not really.

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Rather than posting "lol" why not post and say why you find it funny? For example: lol. Great comic, I like your style.

I think the issue here is that the feeling is that the format is too formal, too restricted. This is a forum, not a chat room. We are supposed to have critical discussions here and as Duke Juker pointed out there's really not much news shaking the world at this time, same goes for the RS world.

I would also like to say that each week I post a new topic for the RSBANDBUpdate! episode and during that week I have to copy a topic ID. I haven't noticed the difference between the weekly topic ID's in my template decreasing all that much recently. That's why I question why this has all of a sudden come up.

If there are no interesting topics to reply to or engage in, make some! Make a topic about an ad you saw on the TV today and what it means, extend it to the world we live in. The forums are meant to be long form. A perfect example of that is this round robin topic. I encourage you all to try creating a topic about whatever comes up in your mind. If there's something we all find interesting, it might just negate the need for this topic.

With this being said I'd also like to mention that when we removed the sandbox before, content didn't increase, it didn't go down. With this I don't see how the sandbox will increase activity in other areas of the forum. This is what I think this topic is getting at, there's no activity elsewhere so you want to bring the sandbox back because of it. If activity won't rise, why bring it back? It's not addressing the problem being presented here. It would seem to me that low activity elsewhere is just the excuse to bring the sandbox back.

And like I said before, if you're looking for somewhere to post something random... just put it on RuneWire. There are no rules about what type of content you must post there, anything goes.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandbox
PostPosted: April 19th, 2011, 8:57 pm 
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I don't know why I used to but I don't think that "there's RuneWire for that" should be brought up... because RSBANDB and Runewire are either separate, or they're not. It's not sometimes separate but sometimes the same.

Forums are for longer discussions. But this is also supposed to be a forum of friends, not a bunch of people thrown into debates to get to know each other through outside means. The every post count must be earned type thing kind of enforces that.

What are the reasons to not bring back or create a non strict forum? Honestly asking because the only one I know of is because of the issues of the past but viewing with hind sight I can't remember why treating access to it as a privilege was not an option. It's the kind of thing where a few people ruin it for everyone else, but at the same time it's one of those situations where it didn't have to be that way.

Remembering it (with nostalgia though) it was a fun place and the forums seemed to have more personality back then.

There are forums where they have the black hole forum as public (minus like porn) that also serves at a sandbox type forum without any rules (besides things like porn/adult) including no rules against flaming even and it's not like it doesn't work.

BRING IT BACK OR FEEL OUR WRATH. Not really I don't care much. Maiden4life (throwback LOL) said "one maybe two if you're lucky interesting topics created every 2-3 days"... I really don't know what he's talking about. Interesting topics? You'd be lucky to get a topic created every 2-3 days let alone a post. I do agree with the "dead season being all year long" point though becuase I've lost track when the activity is supposed to be down. "Its just dead at this time of year, when schools out it will go back up", and when schools finished "its just dead at this time of year because school is out and everyone is away from home now"... RSBANDB is just in a comma :(

And of oldies coming back, I don't really think so. Visit, make a "I'm back" post, make a sandboxesque post, gone for another year. Not critiquing (or is it? lol maybe) anyone but that's just how it happens most of the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Sandbox
PostPosted: May 1st, 2011, 11:24 am 
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RSBANDB is just in a comma :(

I dunno Warren, it looks more like an apostrophe to me.

Seriously though. The sandbox was removed because a few people were flaming and getting offended over flaming. If I remember correctly, most or all of those people are gone from the site, or only very occasional posters. I think you should have enough faith in the members of this community to think of us as innocent until proven guilty. I don't know about the sandbox increasing general forum activity or anything, but I do remember that it was a fun place to discuss things with members of the community. Like Warren said, we're supposed to be a forum of friends and friends are supposed to be silly every now and then. It's not saying we need a place to do page-breaking (as funny as that was for a little while) or random spamming; there should just be a part of the forums where we don't feel obligated to contribute anything really insightful. There's a few topics kicking around (like Creepy's thing on Scotched eggs in Non-RS) that could get much more discussion if they were in a less formal setting.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandbox
PostPosted: May 1st, 2011, 11:57 am 
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I do agree with the "dead season being all year long" point though becuase I've lost track when the activity is supposed to be down. "Its just dead at this time of year, when schools out it will go back up", and when schools finished "its just dead at this time of year because school is out and everyone is away from home now"... RSBANDB is just in a comma :(


Ultra true. In the end, it sounds like:

Autumn -> Dead because of school restarting
Winter -> Dead because of Christmas time
Spring -> Dead because of massive school exams
Summer -> Dead because of Holidays & everybody is out

Wtf. Seriously.
You're always saying the same thing over and over again and you call us paranoid when we say RSBANDB is dead. This is a reality, not fiction.

And I can't agree with oldies coming back. They make a post saying ''IM BACK!'', they stay 2-3 days and don't return until like 4 months and they remake a topic saying ''This time I'm back for real'' and they don't return until a good 2 years.

And I don't see why Sandbox was specifically THE place of flaming. I mean when I flame someone, I flame him whereever I feel like to. I flamed people on RS Discussion, Gaming, Graphic Central, Non Rs Discussion, RS Questions, Almost all of them. Did you have to remove all these in order to avoid flamming? No, you'd say it's stupid. Plus take note of this. Say there is 100 threads in sandbox. One or two of them might cause flaming. But there's still 99 or 98 of them that doesn't have any. If sandbox had flaming in it, it's because it was active. You don't see much flaming in Graphic Central for exemple, because nobody post there anymore. Or if you want a better exemple, in a city of 1 000 000 inhabitant, it has more chance of having more criminals rather than in a village of 1 000 people.

And I fail to see why you're always looking back at your past. It's been like 2-3 years that Sandbox was removed. People have changed, they don't remember anymore, they've forgot about it. They've got old and they don't care anymore. Plus, I find it ridiculous that you're always punishing EVERYONE just because of ONE person. You're like elementary school teachers that say ''If someone talk, everyone in the class stay after the bell.''
If you see that only a few person are always causing trouble, punish them with official warning rather than delete everything that doesn't please you. And that's what moderators are for. Cleaning topics. If you're always going to delete forums that cause trouble, I don't even see why you should have a moderator group. It's like having police in an abandonned city. It's useless.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandbox
PostPosted: May 1st, 2011, 12:21 pm 
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I believe I've already said this. If anyone is repeating themselves on the "the site isn't dead it's just <insert season>" then clearly as this argument is still raging year(s) later and the site still isn't dead it must be proof that your claims aren't all that true.

I've made several topics over the last few days. My first in a while. They've all got replies and frankly 2 out of 3 of them are ******* that would be locked or ignored on another site the fact there not here is a nice thing. I don't think putting htem in the sandbox would make much difference either. For a start I'd still put them in non-rs discussion cause I'm a pain in the *** like that and i care about scotched eggs i would never call them spam.

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I believe I've already said this. If anyone is repeating themselves on the "the site isn't dead it's just <insert season>" then clearly as this argument is still raging year(s) later and the site still isn't dead it must be proof that your claims aren't all that true.


Cannot agree. You use this phrase as a defense mechanism to deny the truth. Why do I say that? Because it's the only argument a staff member come up with. And when you're missing the point is when you say ''The Site still isn't dead''. BS.
Your whole idea itself doesn't make sense. I say you're saying this argument to deny the forums are dead. And you believe forums are alive, that's why you use this argument. It can't be both. There can't be two truths. And I strongly believe, harder than steel, that I am obviously right. And it's not only you, the Staff aswell. They all think the forum is on its downtime. They bury their problems and pretend they don't exist and hope things get better later. And if your next post will be all about saying what I wrote isn't true, you'll prove me right when I say you're ignoring problems.

Granted you have a few replies on your topics. But does it really equal back to the old days? I swear a 20+ replies topic back there was very common and you could see one of them every 2 days or so. Now half of time, when there is a high replied topic, it's because it's always the same two person replying back to each others. It's not 20 persons that have replied to your thread, it's the same two people that made 14 posts together. Take the Happy 4/20 Thread. Granted it has 23 replies at the moment. BUT more than half of them are from Warren and Duke Juker. More than half of the replies on your topic Royalest Wedding are from Trekkie and yourself. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but you can't say it's community active if it's only two people posting.

Face your own demons, RSBANDB. Face the truth and recognize you're losing it. Stop ignoring problems and solve them for God's sake.

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No one on the staff I have heard is denying that there is a problem. You Iron Maiden are not staff, you do not know how we operate in terms of running this website. It's not as though we're sitting around riding a merry go 'round as if it's a nice summer's day and all is well. Whatever we do, we do not "bury [our] problems and pretend they don't exist and hope things get better later." While this topic has been running, in parallel we have been running our own discussion. Our own discussion goes on to talk about how the Sandbox would fix this issue if it would. Let it be known we haven't forgot about this topic, we all think about it daily. We are also looking for other solutions that may help us out. If anyone has any ideas, I encourage you to post.

Rest assured, if the sandbox does come back I will dedicate my full time to keeping it clean. It will be a nice, warm, and fuzzy place. Also, everyone should hopefully know that RSBandB is a big part of my life so there's no way I could just ignore what was going on.

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If anyone has any ideas, I encourage you to post.


Like I sad earlier, a "chat thread" in the general section can be good enough if you want a contained spam zone instead of the full sandbox. Many forums have some sort of spam there where their members and kick back, relax, and talk about things that don't really warrant a thread.

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If the discussion you're saying you have with your team is real, why haven't you brought it earlier on this topic rather than letting us arguing over and over? You could have said that you were in talks to bring up something in the very begining of this topic (assuming that you said you had this discussion since the opening of this thread) instead of a month later.

But if you want to know if it's a good idea or not I might have a suggestion.
Ask the whole community rather than discussing with the team. Make a poll. A poll that ask if the Sandbox should be brought back. And make a required number of Yes votes in order to have it. For exemple, you'd need to have 60%+ of votes that says Yes to win in the end. And if you're still not sure, make an official thread where you ask the community WHY the SB should be brought back and HOW do they think it'll be helpful for the forums.

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