thank you jagex for effing me in the a again...

Warren · **Posted:** July 29th, 2011, 3:12 pm

Oh lol I'd find that disrespectful. Maybe just because I have all those buttons turned to on but if I was going to put any of them to off (or even to pm to friends), I do that for a reason. I don't need to respond to a player mod taking it upon themself to identify bots just to prove that I'm not botting when I turn stuff off for privacy. XD

Kind of scares me too because if you don't respond to the mod they'll probably report you for botting. And Jagex seems to have a policy that their player mods are never in the wrong... they'll tell you that you shouldn't have been reported for something and that you shouldn't have been punished but they'll not admit that the mod made an error. XD

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Priss · **Posted:** July 29th, 2011, 3:56 pm

Warren wrote:

Kind of scares me too because if you don't respond to the mod they'll probably report you for botting. And Jagex seems to have a policy that their player mods are never in the wrong... they'll tell you that you shouldn't have been reported for something and that you shouldn't have been punished but they'll not admit that the mod made an error. XD

That is one of the reasons why I am scared to put stuff on friends or off for to long (just in case, no I don't bot, I have pride for my account). Even tho I just learned that if u put public to Friends, u can still see player mods talk.

Bonsai99 · **Posted:** July 29th, 2011, 9:56 pm

Warren wrote:

Kind of scares me too because if you don't respond to the mod they'll probably report you for botting. And Jagex seems to have a policy that their player mods are never in the wrong... they'll tell you that you shouldn't have been reported for something and that you shouldn't have been punished but they'll not admit that the mod made an error. XD

bonsai99 wrote:

trekkie wrote:

Lol imo if pmods get the power to ban bots their should be like some strict thing to the point that they don't even want to bother because like... if they ban someone they think is botting who actually isn't then it's going to be a pain for them to get unbanned and I doubt Jagex would even do much to remove false bans asap or even check if the bans were correct...

I got falsely muted by a pmod and was unmuted within 2 hours.

Warren · **Posted:** July 29th, 2011, 10:37 pm

Well I'll repeat what I said though I could just quote myself like you did, they'll tell you that you shouldn't have been reported and they'll tell you that you shouldn't have been punished but they'll not admit that the mod made an error.

So being muted falsely by a mod and then getting unmuted within 2 hours fits what I said. They'll admit that you were falsely muted. But they wont admit that the mod did anything wrong and thus will not be held to their actions.

Same thing with being reported by a pmod and then getting banned falsely. They'll say sorry you're right we shouldn't have banned you. But they wont be like, "You're right, that player mod should not have reported you we will deal with that thank you for your concern." They will say, "I have unbanned you as you did not infringe any rules. But the player mod rightfully took action against you." They'll say you're right you didn't do anything wrong, but they'll tell the pmod the same thing.

Ataronchronon · **Posted:** July 30th, 2011, 9:10 am

Funny how this turned into a discussion about pmods... They can't ban people no matter how much they think the person bots, they can only report the person and write what evidence they feel they have. They CAN mute people temporarily, but that's not even what this thread is about. I know of at least two pmods who had their crowns taken away for wrongfully muting people.

A pmod writing to you on pm and that you don't reply doesn't result in you getting banned. It simply adds to the "evidence pile" against you. It's like a policeman pulling you over to a routine check, even if you haven't done anything wrong, it's not in your favor if you ignore him and keep driving.

The only thing about the topic I was saying in the first place was: people being reset/banned is in almost all cases because the person broke the rules. It's ridiculous how many people set up some paranoid theory that it's really players vs Jagex. I'm against the whole pmod concept, but pmods don't have the authority you make it sound like they have.

Warren · **Posted:** July 30th, 2011, 11:57 am

Uhm I said report not ban lol. And then I said that it seems they have a policy of "pmods are always right". Obviously it wouldn't be for repeated or obvious abuse. So I don't think I said pmods had the power to ban but if they receive a report coming from a pmod that someone is botting, that's a lot of **** against you right there. Which I don't think anyone should be reported for botting unless you've admitted to it in chat anyways.
But obviously I would take this opinion, as someone who got reported by a pmod, perm banned as a result, had both my appeal and last chance appeals auto-denied (or answered poorly as there is no way that they could have read the appeals and evaluated the evidence and made a rational decision within a minute of submitting), and it took writing to them just to get the offence and ban removed. Worst of all it happened in cc and I knew the mod who did it, and it wasn't the first time he reported someone for an extremely poor reason and got them banned, and it wasn't the last. But still while the pmod admitted to making an error, and while Jagex would admit that I didn't do anything wrong, they wouldn't admit that the pmod made an error on this or the other occasions.
And in a query I was asking whether or not saying "Youtube" would be against the advertising rules and they said it was and would be grounds to be muted so I was like well what about this mod saying "this is going on Youtube" at that party with all those jmods and then they were like "He has done nothing wrong". I guess I'd be playing with fire breaking rules in front of a bunch of jmods, but not him!
So I have a negative bias since I've had all but bad experiences between Jagex, pmods and I. Cool that I think it's Jagex vs the players but all my dealings with Jagex it has been me vs them, besides with them agreeing that I did nothing wrong after writing to them. BUT I HAD TO BUY A STAMP TO SEND IT TO THE UK AND RECEIVED NO COMPENSATION FOR THAT OR THE 4 MONTHS THAT I WAS BANNED AND I WONDER HOW FAR I WAS INTO MY CREDIT WHEN I GOT BANNED TOO WE PAY WE SAY

And it's not like a police officer pulling you over for a routine check. That would be a JMod pming you "Hey we have suspicions of you botting". A player mod pming you "botter?" despite you having private chat off is disrespectful. It's more like an Arizonian trying pull over someone to make a citizen's arrest because the person is Mexican and the Arizonian being like "illegal immigrant?" to them. Just drive away. Except if you drive away you're going to drive into a roadblock of actual police cuz this racist has got connections. Agh

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