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PostPosted: June 28th, 2009, 10:48 pm 
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I hope this is appropriate for a proper disscussion. Not a Third World War or such.I'm going to make it clear right away, As for violence, I mean fist fighting and such. The low stuff that almost everyone did at least once in their life. Feel free to lock if it seems innapropriate.

The eternal question that been wondered by many people. Is violence a solution to solve problems?
I'm sad to say that I think sometimes it can be. And I will explain why.
When I was young, I used to live in a world of peace, where tyrany and violence didn't exist. From 1st to 6th grade, I never had any single trace of violence on my life, Never even had a fist fight. I was the cool kid that everybody loved. As for bullying, I was always told by my mom and stuff 'Ignore them, they will eventually bore themselves.'

Spoiler for A really long story...:

Things went bad on 7th grade. There was an old gang that made an assault against me. I was the most despised person of the school, for no apparant reason. They did many tricks. The most memorable is this one

*I walk alone*
*Big bully stops me*
Him: Hey ya ********, ya stole me my pack of cigarettes
Me: Why the hell would I steal your **** cigarettes, I dont even smoke.
Him: Mind if I chek in your bag?
Me: Do it
*He checks, and find nothing*
Him: Mind if I check your locker?
Me: Meh, Looks like I have the choice?
*The guys opens my locker*

Guess what? There is about 10 packs of cigarettes on it! I dont even smoke. Someone else put them here. It was probably a conspiracy to put a fight on me. I had no choice to fight, And he was about 2 years above me. In fact a didn't win that fight. It got worse after, when him and his gang threat to kill me. Lucky for me, It was the end of the year and I changed of school. Never saw them again.

8th Grade starts on a new school and ends. Pretty much peacefully.
9th starts, The chaos begins.
About the same as 7th grade but less worse. But I was so tired. I decided to defend myself if I didnt wanted to be destroyed.
I beat the crap out of that jerk that annoyed me the most. And when I say 'Beat the crap out of him' I really meant it.
Principal kicked from the school for 3 weeks.
When I came back I was thinking to myself

-So that's it, Now I'm gonna get killed by him and his friend. And by everyone else.

And guess what? No.
No one ever talked about it. No one ever annoyed me anymore. Not even the guy.
Why? Because everyone was Afraid of me. And then I've learn that Respect passes through Fear.
Otherwise, I was thinking to myself :

-Well, I guess my friends are going to hate me.

Guess what? No.
They loved me more than ever. And they swore to protect me and to be with me forever.

Note : There is a place in my story that I have changed. Figure it out by yourself, Because I'm not going to tell you the whole truth.

Today, I'm sad to say that violence can sometimes be a solution.
I'm sad to see that my mom was wrong, And I'm right.
I would like to believe that when you're working hard, you will get what you want.
I would like to say that it's bad to beat the crap out someone.
I would like to say 'ignore them, they will eventually bore themselves'
I would like to believe that our good deeds will be rewarded, And our bad ones punished.
I would like to believe that Good will always win over Evil.
I would like to believe that violence is never justified...

What are your thoughts on it? Is violence a solution for you?

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No. Do unto others as you would yourself. It's incredibly surprising how well it works. :P

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Of course it is. If someone backed me into a dead end with a knife in hand and intended to use it I'd like to think I'd go down swinging. Sometimes theres little other choice than to just smack them one.

If theres another course of action it's always best to explore that first though.

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yes if someone is/was being mean to me a good punch or two will do the trick

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I'm not bullied a lot. I get along with about 95% of my school.
They respect me enough not to try and do violence. That, and I'm a blue belt in martial arts and people know that if they throw a punch at me I'll bust a cap WITH MY KARATE KNIFE HAND BUCHAAAA

No really. I was tought to use violence as a last resort. If someone hits me first, that gives me a pass to hit them back. Teach 'em not to mess with me.

If someone is verbally abusing me, I just play along. If someone says "Hey, **** you" I reply "Ah, okay you too! See you around my homie!"


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 Post subject: Re: Is violence a solution?
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Of course it is. It's not the BEST solution, but sometimes you've just got to stand up for yourself. Walking away and ignoring it may well be the more adult alternative but in a real life setting, that doesn't work half the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Is violence a solution?
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WEll, it depends, I mean if I was in your case of 'course I would beat them up.
But like Chief said " Do unto others as you wish to be treated" so..


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I would have to say yes. If I can not solve it through talking, even with a superior, violence usually occurs. Not in school. I save it for the summer, usually when they forget about all the **** that goes down.

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If the person you are have problems with is showing violence, then you might as well match that intensity or nothing will get done. But in a lot of cases just talking it over and staying cool is the most logical thing to do. I've never been bullied myself so I wouldn't know the situations


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wow thats harsh story it would make a good book to tell u the truth... consider writing a book on it.... but i dont believe in violence unless im provoked

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Harsh story ? Lol Thanks, but trust me I've been through worse than that.

Nowdays, I'm more calm and I dont get involved in fight. Didn't had any problem since almost two years now :P

Yes, I was a victim before becoming a bully :twisted:
But not a bad one. :P

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PostPosted: June 29th, 2009, 10:07 am 
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Now that I think about it, I think you should try taking martial arts. You'll learn about respect and how to control your anger....yeah.


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I wouldn't consider it a solution, more like a last resort.

I'd try all other ways before fighting. If none worked then I'd fight. I'd let them take the first swing (which would most likely miss, depending on the person) and then I'd return it. The only time I'd swing first is if my GF or close friends or Family were threatened.

I've never had any bully problems since I've never been to public school (Homeschool for the win :P ), but I imagine if I had gone to public school that someone would've tried to bully me by now.

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If the person you are have problems with is showing violence, then you might as well match that intensity or nothing will get done. But in a lot of cases just talking it over and staying cool is the most logical thing to do.

Agreed.

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 Post subject: Re: Is violence a solution?
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Of course it's a solution, I read your story and you're right for fighting.
If someone picks on you with words you ignore them and walk it off, if they keep picking at you and wont stop you just keep trying to ignore them, the second they lay a hand on you, that is when you fight back.

Spoiler for My Story:

I've only been bullied once, and it was only because i went out with this guys ex. I was at the mall minding my own business, then i hear him shout "hey kid!" i was just like hey whats up and kept walking. Then he grabbed me and said "hey come here you ****ing terrorist" no way in my life was i going to let him get away with that. (i'm Lebanese and Lebanon is located in the middle east) I took the swing, we threw a couple punches until security came and threw us out.

My parents didn't mind the fight. They were happy i stood up for what i believe in.
I was praised by my friends even though there wasn't exactly a winner.
And that kid and I never made eye contact again



Point is you shouldn't fight until absolutely necessary.

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In real life, it depends. Usually I just avoid that stuff. I enjoy playing with their head more, plus they feel like an idiot then so its kind of like reverse psychology. 8) Ya it's hard to explain.

Usually stuff like:
"OK, hit me. I'm not going to fight back. How tough are you now? Your going to hit someone who won't fight back. Do you feel proud? It's almost like I'm letting you win."

Basically stuff like that, usually they don't want to try to fight then because they'll look worse for hitting someone who isn't going to fight back.

Still hard to explain really. You won't understand it unless you've done/said/ or saw something happen like that.


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