Your thoughts on abortion?

Shreder · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 5:48 pm

It's been coming up in religion class all the time in school.
yes, I go to a catholic school.

"When it's us it's an abortion, when it's a chicken it's an omelette." -George Carlin

I personally believe in abortion.
It's better off the baby been aborted then suffer a tragic life.
Most people who want abortions usually cannot support the baby.
I also disagree with the church that all life is sacred.
To me a serial killer's life is not sacred.

(I'm agnostic)

I'm just curious as to what you guys think of abortion.

Adbot · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 5:48 pm

Kyle · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 6:32 pm

Abortion Is Morally And Ethically Wrong-Kyle Nash

I know im gonna hear **** over that but its my view, im not narrow minded because i know its the women choice but remember your here because your parents didnt abort you. If you don't want the kid wear a dam condom or get your equipment fixed. If someone is raped i can kinda understand but if a women uses abortion as birth control it is wrong to me. But thats my view, im not in charge so ill respect other peoples view.

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 6:41 pm

I'm pro-choice.

I know if I were to accidentally get pregnant now I would get an abortion without thinking twice.

jointntoday · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 7:14 pm

im also pro-choice. and that pretty much sums it up.

trekkie · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 7:16 pm

i choose to be completely neutral in this matter. i will never have to push a baby out and i don't have the right to tell other families what to do with their baby. if i was in a place of power i'll just let the people decide. i guess i will allow people to have abortions it is their choice but i'm not going to debate over if it is right or wrong.

Anubis · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 7:49 pm

I believe it should be forced upon, or at the very least highly encouraged for anyone who is obviously unable to correctly raise a child on their own (so no, no thirteen year old girls getting help from their 26 year old mummies), unless religious beliefs explicitly say no. Honestly, I'd say it should be forced altogether regardless of religious belief but we're living in a world now where those who govern us say that that guy's god is more important than what's actually the right thing to do.

Anyone who is over the legal age of consent with a decent paying job should be allowed to have a choice. In a partnership, both sides should have to agree on an abortion before it goes through. I hate the idea of the woman being able to decide because 'it's her baby, not the father's', because unless she got raped it wasn't a singluar decision to have the *** anyway.

Speaking of rape, here's a question somewhat related to the topic;
In the case of a woman raping a man and causing that man to ejaculate, if that woman becomes pregnant and decides to have tha baby - does the man have a legal obligation to pay for the child as it grows up?

Adbot · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 7:49 pm

Shreder · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 7:52 pm

Anubis wrote:

Speaking of rape, here's a question somewhat related to the topic;
In the case of a woman raping a man and causing that man to ejaculate, if that woman becomes pregnant and decides to have tha baby - does the man have a legal obligation to pay for the child as it grows up?

I wouldn't believe so considering it was forced upon.

Total Plox · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 8:00 pm

Anubis wrote:

I believe it should be forced upon, or at the very least highly encouraged for anyone who is obviously unable to correctly raise a child on their own (so no, no thirteen year old girls getting help from their 26 year old mummies), unless religious beliefs explicitly say no. Honestly, I'd say it should be forced altogether regardless of religious belief but we're living in a world now where those who govern us say that that guy's god is more important than what's actually the right thing to do.

Anyone who is over the legal age of consent with a decent paying job should be allowed to have a choice. In a partnership, both sides should have to agree on an abortion before it goes through. I hate the idea of the woman being able to decide because 'it's her baby, not the father's', because unless she got raped it wasn't a singluar decision to have the *** anyway.

Speaking of rape, here's a question somewhat related to the topic;
In the case of a woman raping a man and causing that man to ejaculate, if that woman becomes pregnant and decides to have tha baby - does the man have a legal obligation to pay for the child as it grows up?

I disagree that if a 13 year old has enlisted in the help of her mother in order to raise the child it should still be encouraged to have an abortion. If the mother decides she wants to keep the baby and has help to raise it, why should she be forced to give it up? But even the idea of having an abortion because you can't raise the child shouldn't be allowed. If the mother is unfit to raise a child, or doesn't have a sufficient amount of help or money, the child can always be put up for adoption. The girl made the decision to have *** and now she can face the consequences.

The only time I'd see abortion being allowed is if a girl was raped. No girl should have to bear a child that she never intended to have and was forced upon her. Other than that, I don't think abortion should ever be discussed before adoption. I actually don't think abortion should be legal in any other case than rape.

As for your theoretical question, I just don't ever see that happening, but in the world we live in today anything is possible. In a logical sense, the father would have no legal obligation whatsoever to pay child support or to raise the child. I can't see him being convicted for neglect or whatever else for not caring for a baby if he was raped. By the way, I've never really looked into it, but are there actually cases of males being raped?

Connor · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 8:06 pm

I'm sorry, Total_Pl0x, but I disagree with you. I believe that women should be forced to have an abortion under the age of 18 as they are not responsible. Many people stated, in the 12 year old father topic, "This is sick. Abortion should be forced.", And I agree.

Anubis · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 8:24 pm

Total Plox wrote:

I disagree that if a 13 year old has enlisted in the help of her mother in order to raise the child it should still be encouraged to have an abortion. If the mother decides she wants to keep the baby and has help to raise it, why should she be forced to give it up? But even the idea of having an abortion because you can't raise the child shouldn't be allowed. If the mother is unfit to raise a child, or doesn't have a sufficient amount of help or money, the child can always be put up for adoption. The girl made the decision to have *** and now she can face the consequences.

No, I don't believe the system should be supportive of children who get pregnant at all. The legal age for consent, in the UK, is 16. This means that anyone under the age of 16 is actually breaking the law if they engage in intercourse. You do not see, though, anyone being sent to a criminal trial because of this though. The law is exceptionally lenient and I think that's wrong. because of this, I feel it is necessary for the welfare of children to have stricter laws surrounding teenage pregnancy and abortion. By introducing harsher punishments and deterants from having ***, especially unprotected ***, teenage pregnancies will lower and government money will be saved for better purposes.

Parents who are willing to aid their daughter(s) in raising a child are irresponsible. Teenage pregnancies do not happen simply because the girl is a ****. They may happen in the case of rape, accident, a poor upbringing... or the girl's a slag. Accepting the idea that your thirteen year old duaghter is pregnant and allowing her to keep the child will quite honestly ruin their life and their child's. I wouldn't say an eighteen or twenty-one year old would be ready to have children seriously, let alone thirteen year old Shannon who's failing classes and works part-time at the local Walmart.

Total Plox wrote:

The only time I'd see abortion being allowed is if a girl was raped. No girl should have to bear a child that she never intended to have and was forced upon her. Other than that, I don't think abortion should ever be discussed before adoption. I actually don't think abortion should be legal in any other case than rape.

If it's not the girl's fault that they're pregnant then they should be allowed to have an abortion, yes. But abortion is there because it is not an issue over whether the foetus should be concieved, or binned. It's a case over whether the parent's want the baby, and/or whether they'll be able to adequately raise it. I have very strong opinions that those who are incapable of raising children should not be allowed to have any.

Total Plox wrote:

As for your theoretical question, I just don't ever see that happening, but in the world we live in today anything is possible. In a logical sense, the father would have no legal obligation whatsoever to pay child support or to raise the child. I can't see him being convicted for neglect or whatever else for not caring for a baby if he was raped. By the way, I've never really looked into it, but are there actually cases of males being raped?

In some countries, such as Scotland, Rape is gender specific - women cannot 'rape' men. There have been cases in which women have been convicted of raping a man though; sometimes with the use of an 'object'.

I implore you to look on the wikipedia articles; i'm sure an in depth discussion on this could be seen as innapropriate. :p

Chief Snake · **Posted:** February 24th, 2009, 11:50 pm

Anubis wrote:

Total Plox wrote:

I disagree that if a 13 year old has enlisted in the help of her mother in order to raise the child it should still be encouraged to have an abortion. If the mother decides she wants to keep the baby and has help to raise it, why should she be forced to give it up? But even the idea of having an abortion because you can't raise the child shouldn't be allowed. If the mother is unfit to raise a child, or doesn't have a sufficient amount of help or money, the child can always be put up for adoption. The girl made the decision to have *** and now she can face the consequences.

No, I don't believe the system should be supportive of children who get pregnant at all. The legal age for consent, in the UK, is 16. This means that anyone under the age of 16 is actually breaking the law if they engage in intercourse. You do not see, though, anyone being sent to a criminal trial because of this though. The law is exceptionally lenient and I think that's wrong. because of this, I feel it is necessary for the welfare of children to have stricter laws surrounding teenage pregnancy and abortion. By introducing harsher punishments and deterants from having ***, especially unprotected ***, teenage pregnancies will lower and government money will be saved for better purposes.

Wow. My thoughts exactly.

Besides under those circumstances of underage ***, I'm more of a fence sitter. While I personally believe that abortion is morally unethical, I see no reason for my belief to be forced upon anyone else. Quite honestly I don't really care that much about what other people do with their lives. It's got nothing to do with me and it's unlikely hurting anyone else, so I'll have to go with being pro-choice.

Kenny · **Posted:** February 25th, 2009, 12:49 am

It's your choice. I guess if my girlfriend/wife got pregnant accidentally I'd have to think hard about an abortion.

I've got another good discussion starter. Would you abort if they could see from the foetus that your child would be disabled ?

Alex · **Posted:** February 25th, 2009, 4:13 am

Kenny wrote:

It's your choice. I guess if my girlfriend/wife got pregnant accidentally I'd have to think hard about an abortion.

I've got another good discussion starter. Would you abort if they could see from the foetus that your child would be disabled ?

Yes because that would be even more of a hassle.

I don't understand the comment about a woman raping a man and then forcing him to ejaculate... It can't possibly happen, if the guy really didn't want to have *** he wouldn't be able to sustain an erection, surely.

I'm all for abortion. A kid should not be brought into this world if it is not wanted.

Brad · **Posted:** February 25th, 2009, 4:52 am

The whole question around pro life and abortion seems to focus on "is a fetus a human being?"

Which they obviously aren't.

Sure, fetuses have the ability to develop into human life. But so does sperm in males and eggs in females. So any guy whos ever jacked off or any women whos ever had a period is a murderer? There is no consistency in the anti abortion argument.

And abortion of a fetus is much better than having an unwated life in the world. The people who say "oh well you could give birth to it and then put it up for adoption" are not thinking their stance through. I can't speak for America but I read in the paper about the adoption system in this country yesterday and it's saturated. So unless you'd feel good about relegating a child to a life of moving from foster home to foster home and having little to no chance of finding a permanent home, then no, putting an unwanted child up for adoption is not a solution.

End of the day, I think if you're not willing to raise and care for a child you bring in to this world yourself, you shouldn't give birth to it.

Gontcha · **Posted:** February 25th, 2009, 5:05 am

Kyle wrote:

Abortion Is Morally And Ethically Wrong-Kyle Nash

Even if you're republican, I agree with you on that. Fundamentally, abortion is wrong. First of all, you don't get pregnant if you can't support a child. There are sooooo many sorts of contraceptives, and here in Belgium, we actually get money for buying them. If you're smart, abortion shouldn't be on your list of choices.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who thinks that you should burn tot death if you had an abortion. I just think that if you have to do it, you should be eaten up on the inside of guilt and should realise what a stupid *** you are.
And then Noobis, I 100% agree with you. The law states that the legal age is 16, getting pregnant before that age should be punished.
Although, I fully support abortions if it's due to sexual abuse.
Honestly, we shouldn't debate about this, as we (men) won't get pregnant. It's up for the women to decide/debate, although, we are responsible, because it takes two to get pregnant.