Ending the war VS Leaving the war....

PhoenixEmpire · **Posted:** October 17th, 2008, 7:45 pm

Okay, i'm tired of reading topic where people use "leaving Iraq" and "ending the war" every two seconds.
People keeps using those two reasons as a way to vote for a president, but I doubt they realize that the two are TOTALLY DIFFERENT!

Ending the war would be resolving it in some peaceful way between both nations and giving resolve to opposing issues.

"Leaving Iraq" is giving up on a nation in ruin and allowing a terrorist group to run rampant in underground organizations.

Before you start talking about the war involving the terrorists, get your information straight. They have been planing on taking over the Americas (not just north america or the usa) for years. Actually, since the early 1990's. They hate our ideas on society. 9/11 was simply the first stage of a war they knew would last years. They knew that it would last this long, and they planned on us giving up. We see death as a bad thing, but they see it as a way to victory. Obviously we'll give up before they do.

Next, you need to realize that the "war on terror" is officially over. It has been documented by the government as mission complete. Now we're fighting a TOTALLY DIFFERENT WAR!!!

Finally; everyone (republican or democrat) wants the war to end. McCain wants the war to end just as much as Obama. However, Obama wants to evacuate from Iraq as quickly as possible, while McCain wants to ensure a safe exit even it takes longer. If we leave now we're doing EXACTLY what they were planing, and we'll only end up bringing the war to our land instead of theirs. Personally, I would prefer to lose a war in another country than in our own. It may sound selfish and absolutely cold hearted for me to say this, but I would rather risk the lives of people in another country than that of my fellow countrymen. I know it sad, but it's true. A life lost is a horrible thing. However, I would rather allow the innocent in my own country to survive as the Heroes of our nation, who swore their lives to protect those innocent, fight for our freedoms. They may risk their lives, but history is never made and freedom is never gained without the sacrifice of blood.

Okay, that's my rant. I know it's kinda 'in-your-face' and graphic or whatnot, but it's all true.

Before you use the war as a reason to vote for someone, or a reason to debate, at least know the difference between "Ending the War" and "Leaving" it.

Adbot · **Posted:** October 17th, 2008, 7:45 pm

jointntoday · **Posted:** October 17th, 2008, 8:04 pm

like you said, i want the war to be over as much as the next guy, but i also think if we just get up and leave its not going to end the war but bring it to us.

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** October 17th, 2008, 8:30 pm

I'd say we should "Leave Iraq".
I think war is a stupid concept to begin with.

"Hey, we don't like them.. Lets send our young men and women over to their country and watch as they die over a disagreement between the elite."

Or in this case:
"Hey! Terrorists from that country killed many innocent lives. Great idea: lets go over there, sentence many of our men and women to their death, and kill innocent bystanders in the process!"

[Yes, that is an exaggeration to make a statement. I don't actually believe that.]

You're taught as a child to not use violence to end a disagreement. I don't see why the leaders of the countries can't talk things out, or just even agree to disagree. Why kill off the youth of the nation over a disagreement? It's just stupid.

I wish we lived in a society that understood that. We're not cavemen anymore, we should know better.

Sadly, I don't think I'll ever see the day that war is nonexistent. I mean if the leaders are so ready to start a war, I'd like to see them fight each other. Now that would be something. If you're ready to risk the lives of many men and woman, lets see you fight the war yourself.

I know so many people are going to disagree with me on this. Go right on ahead. Say that war is something you can't get around, it's a necessity. Say that the only way to end disagreements between countries is to fight a war. I don't care. I'm sticking with my views on this.

You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

Dokter Bob · **Posted:** October 18th, 2008, 12:39 am

Uum, I think it'll sound a lot better in our history books if we finish the war.

Otherwise we'd get "During the early 21st century, the United States was attacked by terrorists from the Middle East. We sent troops in, but we became cowards and fled back to America."

And yeah, I know what it's like having a family member over in Iraq, my dad was there for half a year.

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** October 18th, 2008, 1:07 am

Veggie Eater wrote:

I'd say we should "Leave Iraq".

Or in this case:
"Hey! Terrorists from that country killed many innocent lives. Great idea: lets go over there, sentence many of our men and women to their death, and kill innocent bystanders in the process!"

What would you suggest they do? Ignore it?

Personally I'd fire just about every nuclear bomb i could find over there, problem solved.

Dokter wrote:

Otherwise we'd get "During the early 21st century, the United States was attacked by terrorists from the Middle East. We sent troops in, but we became cowards and fled back to America."

It'd just be twisted in such a way that it makes you look awesome anyway, wouldn't worry about it.

Gzpro · **Posted:** October 18th, 2008, 4:48 am

As I understand it we are fighting the war against terror correct? Then why did we go into Iraq? Was it for oil? or was it for democracy of Iraq? Or was it for WMDs? The American people have been lied to about the reasoning of this war. If the US wanted to fight against terrorism why didn't they attack the biggest supporter of the terrorists in the middle east? Iran. The whole idea of this war is stupid. You can't fight terrorists by attacking innocent countries. The best way to prevent a terrorist attack would be to secure out borders and find the terrorists with in our country.

Yes would should pull out. Also this questions is kinda pointless because the Iraqi government is kicking out us troops in 5 months. So we are already leaving.

We've killed millions of innocent lives

The Tax payers have spent more than a 1 Trillion dollars

We gave the Iraqis democracy and killed a dictator.

Was it worth it?

Adbot · **Posted:** October 18th, 2008, 4:48 am

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** October 18th, 2008, 8:49 am

CreepyPirate wrote:

What would you suggest they do? Ignore it?

Personally I'd fire just about every nuclear bomb i could find over there, problem solved.

Haha, okay. It makes total sense to kill other innocent people over something they had no say in.

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** October 18th, 2008, 9:45 am

Veggie Eater wrote:

CreepyPirate wrote:

What would you suggest they do? Ignore it?

Personally I'd fire just about every nuclear bomb i could find over there, problem solved.

Haha, okay. It makes total sense to kill other innocent people over something they had no say in.

You don't just walk into a country and claim leadership. Admittedly it wasn't some election but he was certainly popular enough to rise up through the ranks and get to where he did, in fact he did a lot for the people to begin with.

But that's not the point, it makes about as much sense as bombing innocent people here for something they had no say in. Personally I'd rather they all died than me, my family and everyone i know. Call it selfish if you like but I'm not dying because a bunch of ***** off third world nutters don't like how *i* choose to live my life.

With that said, i don't think this has much to do with the topic, so if you'd like to carry on you can PM about it, that goes for anyone else that might get ***** over my (somewhat ignorant I'm sure)opinion.

PhoenixEmpire · **Posted:** October 18th, 2008, 3:07 pm

Actually, you're opinion isn't ignorant at all Creepy

Just the way you say it makes it nearly impossible not to giggle while you read it. The idea is good, but the way you say to carry it out is mildly cartoon-ish. No offense lol.

As for the reason of the war, whether it be on Terror or Oil, watch "Obsession" by CNN. It is an hour-or-so documentary held by the leading investigative reporters of all nations. It isn't baised towards the USA, China, Russia, France, or the UK. It simply tells what is happening and why it's happening.

After watching it I swear that you will want to stay in Iraq to finish the job, and that even the hundreds on innocent lives lost fighting this war a thousand times over again are worth the consequence of leaving it.

The Xbox Legacy · **Posted:** October 18th, 2008, 7:50 pm

Two quotes were brought up in my mind as I read the repsonses here (who knew dying in CoD4 could bring about such knowledge). I know they aren't exact and I can't remember who said them but:

"An eye for an eye"

"As long as there are men, there will be wars."

I'm not sure whether we paid them back for the twin towers ... but you can't bring back the lives of those lost after all. Not sure the second quote should be limited to men, but ... I guess everyone's different, which means different personalities in leadership, then people don't like something and they use the resources available to start war. Sad, but the world isn't perfect and life isn't fair after all.

I don't know a lot about the war in Iraq, but I figure we might as well try to help the innocent people as much as possible before the troops leave. Interested in seeing "Obsession" though .. I've only skimmed through a few articles about why we're there.