Death Penalty

jointntoday · **Posted:** September 24th, 2008, 6:30 pm

Brad wrote:

Still it seems to me the only reason you oppose my ideas are because, like a lot of Americans, you've got an itchy trigger finger and you'd like nothing more than to see a few people killed.

If they worked they'd be earning money for the state. They'd be paying for their living costs plus any excess. You don't really understand my ideas, you've proven that in your last few posts, so unless you have something constructive to add, stop saying you do.

well that was uncalled for, not every american wants to kill someone. theres no need for stereotypes, what he is saying is people can break away from 'chain gangs' people can get out of things, when someone is dead theres no digging your self out. when you give someone a job, you also take away a job from someone eles. so why give a job to someone that killed someone and going to spend the rest of their life in jail, when you could give that job to someone that is trying to get somewhere in life..not only that but then we have to house them, that means more jails/prisons being built with tax payers money, its going to take a LOT of chain gangs to pay for a prison...

now i do agree with brad to a point, i watched a show where the jail fed its self mostly, they had people that did small crimes (DUI, robbery, etc) that farmed, and the veggies they farmed is what they ate(but they bought their meat) i agree with stuff like that, but i think haveing 'lifers' on a chain gang in around the public is not a good idea.
would you feel safe haveing a guy that killed another person(s) outside your houes working on the road? i know i wouldnt, even if there is a cop watching them, 10 killers VS 1 cop...not going to end well. and you cant put 10 cops out there...not enough cops as it is.

like a lot of things, it sounds great on paper but in the real world it turns around and bites your ***.

oh btw, im not trying to put words in kyles mouth, so kyle if im also wrong (lol) pm me.

Adbot · **Posted:** September 24th, 2008, 6:30 pm

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** September 24th, 2008, 8:15 pm

Brad wrote:

They thrive because they're allowed to spend most of their time sitting around doing jack all. If they were forced to work 14 hour days I'm betting they wouldn't enjoy it so much.

I actually disagree with you on this.
Sitting in a cell by yourself all day, every day has to be the worst thing one could imagine.
I would assume they like to work because it's something to do. I know I would.

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A few years ago I didn't exactly like the death penalty, but I wasn't really against it. After reading the book The Chamber by John Grisham I've decided I'm very against it.

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** September 25th, 2008, 6:30 am

Veggie Eater wrote:

Brad wrote:

They thrive because they're allowed to spend most of their time sitting around doing jack all. If they were forced to work 14 hour days I'm betting they wouldn't enjoy it so much.

I actually disagree with you on this.
Sitting in a cell by yourself all day, every day has to be the worst thing one could imagine.
I would assume they like to work because it's something to do. I know I would.

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A few years ago I didn't exactly like the death penalty, but I wasn't really against it. After reading the book The Chamber by John Grisham I've decided I'm very against it.

Only the worst of the worst are kept in a cell *all day* and separate from any contact and that's only cause the other prisons would attack them. The rest get it easy.

momsrascal93 · **Posted:** September 25th, 2008, 2:45 pm

Gzpro wrote:

jointntoday wrote:

gzpro thats ture, but they could make it easyer/faster and that could make it cheaper.
but i see what your saying. its kinda like this one dude that a few years ago was in court and somehow (i dont remember it all) got a cops gun and ran around ATL shooting people, killed like 15 people or something. he is STILL in court. it was all over the news when it happend they have vids and pics of him shooting people but somehow they still havent killed him like they should have.

people like him dont need to be around other people, they need to be dead.

I agree with you 100%...The cost of the death penalty should be the cost of a round of bullets....

Agreed! Or better yet, if it was some very gruesome crime, some horrible, slow and painful death... Bring back the gallows and guillotine! :twisted:

Gzpro · **Posted:** September 25th, 2008, 3:39 pm

momsrascal93 wrote:

Agreed! Or better yet, if it was some very gruesome crime, some horrible, slow and painful death... Bring back the gallows and guillotine! :twisted:

The gallows and guillotine are way more humane than the electric chair...

Yazackie90 · **Posted:** September 25th, 2008, 3:51 pm

Gzpro wrote:

momsrascal93 wrote:

Agreed! Or better yet, if it was some very gruesome crime, some horrible, slow and painful death... Bring back the gallows and guillotine! :twisted:

The gallows and guillotine are way more humane than the electric chair...

How in hell? What are you, a werewolf?

Adbot · **Posted:** September 25th, 2008, 3:51 pm

Gzpro · **Posted:** September 25th, 2008, 3:59 pm

Yazackie90 wrote:

Gzpro wrote:

momsrascal93 wrote:

Agreed! Or better yet, if it was some very gruesome crime, some horrible, slow and painful death... Bring back the gallows and guillotine! :twisted:

The gallows and guillotine are way more humane than the electric chair...

How in hell? What are you, a werewolf?

Lethal injection - The process is, the prisoner is bound to a gurney, and two needles are inserted into the prisoner’s veins, which injects a saline solution into the body. The prisoner is supposed to go unconscious at this time, which doesn’t always work, while pavulon induces paralysis and the stopping of breathing. Eventually potassium chloride stops the beating of the heart. This chemical can cause excruciating pain if the prisoner is still conscious. But the prisoner will not be able to express his pain, for he will be paralyzed. Autopsies have also showed needles embedded in the prisoners soft tissue. Does that sound humane?

The Xbox Legacy · **Posted:** September 25th, 2008, 4:20 pm

In my mind, if someone did something so bad that it could bring up the punishment of death, I'd rather see it happen. Half for never seeing their presence on the Earth again, half for the whole 'treat others the way you want to be treated, eye for an eye, etc.' philosophy. The way they die ... maybe if it was a murder, the way they killed the person would be their death as well? That's probably a little extreme ... maybe they should pick the way they want to die. I'm not quite sure. Either way, I'll go for it - not for the sake of punishing them, but for the sake of not wanting to see them alive again.

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** September 25th, 2008, 4:42 pm

CreepyPirate wrote:

Veggie Eater wrote:

Brad wrote:

They thrive because they're allowed to spend most of their time sitting around doing jack all. If they were forced to work 14 hour days I'm betting they wouldn't enjoy it so much.

I actually disagree with you on this.
Sitting in a cell by yourself all day, every day has to be the worst thing one could imagine.
I would assume they like to work because it's something to do. I know I would.

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A few years ago I didn't exactly like the death penalty, but I wasn't really against it. After reading the book The Chamber by John Grisham I've decided I'm very against it.

Only the worst of the worst are kept in a cell *all day* and separate from any contact and that's only cause the other prisons would attack them. The rest get it easy.

I'm sure prison is a vacation to them.
I don't think you should judge if it's "easy" or not until you've been in prison yourself.

Gzpro · **Posted:** September 26th, 2008, 4:36 am

Veggie Eater wrote:

I'm sure prison is a vacation to them.
I don't think you should judge if it's "easy" or not until you've been in prison yourself.

So you've been?

Matthew1987 · **Posted:** September 26th, 2008, 7:41 am

Lethal injection is just like going for an operation without the waking up, if they do feel pain it's more like a heart attack. Gallows and guillotine makes more of a scene, especially if it's blunt and stops half way...

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So you've been?

My friend's in prison he said it's like an holiday camp.

Brad · **Posted:** September 26th, 2008, 8:33 am

jointntoday wrote:

Brad wrote:

Still it seems to me the only reason you oppose my ideas are because, like a lot of Americans, you've got an itchy trigger finger and you'd like nothing more than to see a few people killed.

If they worked they'd be earning money for the state. They'd be paying for their living costs plus any excess. You don't really understand my ideas, you've proven that in your last few posts, so unless you have something constructive to add, stop saying you do.

well that was uncalled for, not every american wants to kill someone. theres no need for stereotypes, what he is saying is people can break away from 'chain gangs' people can get out of things, when someone is dead theres no digging your self out. when you give someone a job, you also take away a job from someone eles. so why give a job to someone that killed someone and going to spend the rest of their life in jail, when you could give that job to someone that is trying to get somewhere in life..not only that but then we have to house them, that means more jails/prisons being built with tax payers money, its going to take a LOT of chain gangs to pay for a prison...

now i do agree with brad to a point, i watched a show where the jail fed its self mostly, they had people that did small crimes (DUI, robbery, etc) that farmed, and the veggies they farmed is what they ate(but they bought their meat) i agree with stuff like that, but i think haveing 'lifers' on a chain gang in around the public is not a good idea.
would you feel safe haveing a guy that killed another person(s) outside your houes working on the road? i know i wouldnt, even if there is a cop watching them, 10 killers VS 1 cop...not going to end well. and you cant put 10 cops out there...not enough cops as it is.

like a lot of things, it sounds great on paper but in the real world it turns around and bites your ***.

oh btw, im not trying to put words in kyles mouth, so kyle if im also wrong (lol) pm me.

No it's not bloody uncalled for. You've not been able to offer ANY justifications as to why killing people is really better. Plus I never said anywhere these people would be working in the community. **** me, if they're killers and rapists it'd be the complete opposite. But the fact remains you can't justify why they should be killed rather then kept alive for whatever purpose so that leads me to believe you just want the rush of 'revenge' and you want to see people killed.

Don't fob me with this 'realism' bull, this is a dam forum and we're discussing ideas. They don't have to be 100% realistic or feasible in the real world. Not like I'm saying we should make them work in the salt mines on mars is it? You people don't seem to have any interest in the subject of punishing these people in any other way than KILL THEM KILL THEM KILL THEM. Blood lust, the most primitive of human desires.

jointntoday · **Posted:** September 26th, 2008, 10:50 am

Brad wrote:

jointntoday wrote:

Brad wrote:

Still it seems to me the only reason you oppose my ideas are because, like a lot of Americans, you've got an itchy trigger finger and you'd like nothing more than to see a few people killed.

If they worked they'd be earning money for the state. They'd be paying for their living costs plus any excess. You don't really understand my ideas, you've proven that in your last few posts, so unless you have something constructive to add, stop saying you do.

well that was uncalled for, not every american wants to kill someone. theres no need for stereotypes, what he is saying is people can break away from 'chain gangs' people can get out of things, when someone is dead theres no digging your self out. when you give someone a job, you also take away a job from someone eles. so why give a job to someone that killed someone and going to spend the rest of their life in jail, when you could give that job to someone that is trying to get somewhere in life..not only that but then we have to house them, that means more jails/prisons being built with tax payers money, its going to take a LOT of chain gangs to pay for a prison...

now i do agree with brad to a point, i watched a show where the jail fed its self mostly, they had people that did small crimes (DUI, robbery, etc) that farmed, and the veggies they farmed is what they ate(but they bought their meat) i agree with stuff like that, but i think haveing 'lifers' on a chain gang in around the public is not a good idea.
would you feel safe haveing a guy that killed another person(s) outside your houes working on the road? i know i wouldnt, even if there is a cop watching them, 10 killers VS 1 cop...not going to end well. and you cant put 10 cops out there...not enough cops as it is.

like a lot of things, it sounds great on paper but in the real world it turns around and bites your ***.

oh btw, im not trying to put words in kyles mouth, so kyle if im also wrong (lol) pm me.

No it's not bloody uncalled for. You've not been able to offer ANY justifications as to why killing people is really better. Plus I never said anywhere these people would be working in the community. **** me, if they're killers and rapists it'd be the complete opposite. But the fact remains you can't justify why they should be killed rather then kept alive for whatever purpose so that leads me to believe you just want the rush of 'revenge' and you want to see people killed.

Don't fob me with this 'realism' bull, this is a dam forum and we're discussing ideas. They don't have to be 100% realistic or feasible in the real world. Not like I'm saying we should make them work in the salt mines on mars is it? You people don't seem to have any interest in the subject of punishing these people in any other way than KILL THEM KILL THEM KILL THEM. Blood lust, the most primitive of human desires.

wow for being a admin you sure do have one hell of a temper... :roll:

give me one good dam reason to let them live, they are never spoze to see the outside world again anyway. now they are just takeing up money and room. i dont know about you, but i would be much happyer to see my tax money go to a school then to some slob that killed people and is never going to do anything with his life. yes that was 'bloody' uncalled for im not going to stereotype your country or the people in it, and seeing how your a ADMIN i would think i could get the same from you...

Matthew1987 · **Posted:** September 26th, 2008, 11:43 am

Brad said a LOT of Americans, not all.

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now they are just takeing up money and room. i dont know about you, but i would be much happyer to see my tax money

It's been said in the thread that it costs more to kill them.

And who said all murderers are bad to the bone anyway? Some have a conscience and feel bad for doing what they did.

jointntoday · **Posted:** September 26th, 2008, 11:48 am

Matthew1987 wrote:

Brad said a LOT of Americans, not all.

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now they are just takeing up money and room. i dont know about you, but i would be much happyer to see my tax money

It's been said in the thread that it costs more to kill them.

yes i know, and thats because of court fee's and if they have 100% proof (like i said in my first post) then that could cut down court fee's wouldnt it?

people can feel bad for what they did all they want, but that doesnt take back what they did or make them a good person.

i know he said a lot of americans not all, but if i made some stereotype about a 'lot' of people in your conutry it would still **** you off even if its not true. same for me.