Vegitarian discussion

Rune Beast0 · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 2:27 pm

Excuse me, but I don't know any hunters that just "sit in chairs and wait for an animal to come by". Some hunting requires you to stay in the same spot after tracking an animal to a certain point, so that you don't scare it away. You can't just get right behind a deer for a perfect shot, you have to wait for it to approach you. Maybe hunters in other parts of the country do the chair-sitting-lazy thing, but I don't know any around me.

I eat meat. I think it tastes good, it's good for me, and I know the ranchers that I buy meat from. They aren't being cruel and/or keeping cows in tight, confined spaces.

If you want to go without meat, it's fine with me. Just don't try to guilt trip me into thinking that it's bad and I need to go vegetarian or vegan.

I'm against all forms of animal cruelty but I still eat meat because we're omnivores that are part of the food chain. The human body needs the proteins and vitamins found in meat (or you can take it in a pill) and we can get it naturally like all other animals do.

Adbot · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 2:27 pm

jointntoday · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 2:46 pm

Veggie Eater wrote:

Sev wrote:

So I was just watching Man vs. Wild and I was wondering about you vegetarians, If you HAD to kill an animal to survive, would you? What if your in a forzen tundra and (tundra?) rabbit is your only way to survive?

What I really have a problem with is the factory farms animals 'live' in until they are slaughtered. It's really really disgusting, cramped, cruel, and unnecessary.

I mean I still don't think you should take another animals life for your own, but I don't mind hunting as much. I mean at least then it's natural. The animal was in the wild, the hunter took it down.

Factory Farms, Slaughter houses = cruel and un-natural

hunting = natural, painless death

But if you think about it, hunting is becoming so stupid now a days anyway. They have all this equipment and men just sit out in their chairs waiting for an animal to come by and just take it down instantly. Most people don't stalk the animals anymore or work for it. People have become so lazy.

But anyway
I probably couldn't kill another animal myself if I was out in the wild. Maybe if I got desperate, I don't know. I'd probably chicken out. I'd probably just eat berries and stuff, I'm not really sure. No one really knows what they'd do in that kind of situation until it happens.

so where did you hunt? well then if you havent hunted how do you know this stuff?
i DO hunt so i DO know what im talking about when i say, no real hunter just sits down and does nothing but shoot things as they walk by. hunting is working for your food when i hunt i end up walking about 3-5 miles a day till i find where my game is, and thats with a backpack thats about 20 pounds and then after i take my game i have to take it back, a deer is about 100-150 pounds so i end up carrying my own body weight out of the woods. sure theres some new stuff out to make hunting "easyer" but its never easy. its not just a walk in the park. and you dont always get a kill. i've gone a whole season without getting a kill (4-6 weeks)

so if you dont know what your talking about, dont talk about it.

Ranging God · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 3:08 pm

jointntoday wrote:

Veggie Eater wrote:

Sev wrote:

So I was just watching Man vs. Wild and I was wondering about you vegetarians, If you HAD to kill an animal to survive, would you? What if your in a forzen tundra and (tundra?) rabbit is your only way to survive?

What I really have a problem with is the factory farms animals 'live' in until they are slaughtered. It's really really disgusting, cramped, cruel, and unnecessary.

I mean I still don't think you should take another animals life for your own, but I don't mind hunting as much. I mean at least then it's natural. The animal was in the wild, the hunter took it down.

Factory Farms, Slaughter houses = cruel and un-natural

hunting = natural, painless death

But if you think about it, hunting is becoming so stupid now a days anyway. They have all this equipment and men just sit out in their chairs waiting for an animal to come by and just take it down instantly. Most people don't stalk the animals anymore or work for it. People have become so lazy.

But anyway
I probably couldn't kill another animal myself if I was out in the wild. Maybe if I got desperate, I don't know. I'd probably chicken out. I'd probably just eat berries and stuff, I'm not really sure. No one really knows what they'd do in that kind of situation until it happens.

so where did you hunt? well then if you havent hunted how do you know this stuff?
i DO hunt so i DO know what im talking about when i say, no real hunter just sits down and does nothing but shoot things as they walk by. hunting is working for your food when i hunt i end up walking about 3-5 miles a day till i find where my game is, and thats with a backpack thats about 20 pounds and then after i take my game i have to take it back, a deer is about 100-150 pounds so i end up carrying my own body weight out of the woods. sure theres some new stuff out to make hunting "easyer" but its never easy. its not just a walk in the park. and you dont always get a kill. i've gone a whole season without getting a kill (4-6 weeks)

so if you dont know what your talking about, dont talk about it.

And after all that hard hard work, all you have to do is pull a trigger, don't use up too much energy now. I can honestly say that 90% of you couldnt kill a deer if you only had your hands.

jointntoday · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 3:19 pm

once again you dont know what your talking about unless you've been there.
after you pull the tirgger or let the arrow go is when half the work starts,
you must carry/drag your game to your truck wich can be miles away.(and most deer are around 100-150 pounds) then you must gut it wich means you open it up and take out all of the guts.
then after you get it home you have to hang it up and let it bleed. then you half to cut it up to freeze it, all about 2 days worth of work.
wich is a good bit of energy now. :wink:

and i can say, if i had to use only my hands, i know i could kill a deer because i can use my hands to make a spear to kill it with...

Rune Beast0 · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 3:57 pm

Ranging God wrote:

And after all that hard hard work, all you have to do is pull a trigger, don't use up too much energy now. I can honestly say that 90% of you couldnt kill a deer if you only had your hands.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that makes no sense at all. Not even primitive people without guns killed deer with their hands, deer are very fast and bows or even rocks back in very old times were used.

Jointntoday is very right on his points on what you have to do on a successful hunt.

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 4:43 pm

Hey I'd like to apologize:
I didn't mean to offend any hunters.
And I'd like to say sorry.

I mean technology helps a lot with hunting, it's so much easier than it used to be. That's the same with everything. Communication [as in telephones, internet, etc], Transportation [Cars, Air Planes, Subways], etc

I mean as technology increases, everything becomes a lot easier, that's just how it goes. Do you kind of get what I'm saying?

So I was trying to point out that when people actually had to hunt for food, it was a lot harder, people had to really work for that food when now a days, it comes a lot easier. [But yes you still have to work for it]

I mean it's no one's fault, it's just society upgrading.

But yeah, just wanted to say sorry if I offended anyone. And I think that Ranging God was trying to point that out to, we just didn't really word it correctly.
Well, I don't know for sure if that is what he meant, but I'm just assuming.

So sorry >_< I'll be more careful with my words next time.

Adbot · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 4:43 pm

jointntoday · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 4:49 pm

Veggie Eater wrote:

Hey I'd like to apologize:
I didn't mean to offend any hunters.
And I'd like to say sorry.

I mean technology helps a lot with hunting, it's so much easier than it used to be. That's the same with everything. Communication [as in telephones, internet, etc], Transportation [Cars, Air Planes, Subways], etc

I mean as technology increases, everything becomes a lot easier, that's just how it goes. Do you kind of get what I'm saying?

So I was trying to point out that when people actually had to hunt for food, it was a lot harder, people had to really work for that food when now a days, it comes a lot easier. [But yes you still have to work for it]

I mean it's no one's fault, it's just society upgrading.

But yeah, just wanted to say sorry if I offended anyone. And I think that Ranging God was trying to point that out to, we just didn't really word it correctly.
Well, I don't know for sure if that is what he meant, but I'm just assuming.

So sorry >_< I'll be more careful with my words next time.

you never offend me. i was just trying to point out even though things have upgrated its still no cake walk. :wink:

i may have came off as being a little harsh, and if i did i am sorry also.
but i do get a lot of crap for hunting so i get a little snappy some times lol.

Ranging God · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 5:17 pm

Veggie Eater wrote:

Hey I'd like to apologize:
I didn't mean to offend any hunters.
And I'd like to say sorry.

I mean technology helps a lot with hunting, it's so much easier than it used to be. That's the same with everything. Communication [as in telephones, internet, etc], Transportation [Cars, Air Planes, Subways], etc

I mean as technology increases, everything becomes a lot easier, that's just how it goes. Do you kind of get what I'm saying?

So I was trying to point out that when people actually had to hunt for food, it was a lot harder, people had to really work for that food when now a days, it comes a lot easier. [But yes you still have to work for it]

I mean it's no one's fault, it's just society upgrading.

But yeah, just wanted to say sorry if I offended anyone. And I think that Ranging God was trying to point that out to, we just didn't really word it correctly.
Well, I don't know for sure if that is what he meant, but I'm just assuming.

So sorry >_< I'll be more careful with my words next time.

Ugh, stop getting bent like that. Stand up for your beliefs ffs. Dont be afraid to do so. Most ppl at RSBandB will talk to you about it and not get offended. I am sure RuneBeast is enjoying the conversation we are having.

And to clear up what I said. I was implying that it is harder to take a livingthings life if you have to do it with your hands. People say Oh other animals kill other animals, it's normal, but humans are one of the very animals to use tools. It is different to shoot something then to feel it's last heart beat in your hands, and see the life leave it's eyes. (oh gosh, too much Twilight for me!)

Rune Beast0 · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 5:44 pm

jointntoday wrote:

Veggie Eater wrote:

Hey I'd like to apologize:
I didn't mean to offend any hunters.
And I'd like to say sorry.

I mean technology helps a lot with hunting, it's so much easier than it used to be. That's the same with everything. Communication [as in telephones, internet, etc], Transportation [Cars, Air Planes, Subways], etc

I mean as technology increases, everything becomes a lot easier, that's just how it goes. Do you kind of get what I'm saying?

So I was trying to point out that when people actually had to hunt for food, it was a lot harder, people had to really work for that food when now a days, it comes a lot easier. [But yes you still have to work for it]

I mean it's no one's fault, it's just society upgrading.

But yeah, just wanted to say sorry if I offended anyone. And I think that Ranging God was trying to point that out to, we just didn't really word it correctly.
Well, I don't know for sure if that is what he meant, but I'm just assuming.

So sorry >_< I'll be more careful with my words next time.

you never offend me. i was just trying to point out even though things have upgrated its still no cake walk. :wink:

i may have came off as being a little harsh, and if i did i am sorry also.
but i do get a lot of crap for hunting so i get a little snappy some times lol.

Yeah, again I'm agreeing with jointn. :p

I'm not offended (then people could make fun of me for being alluded, oh noes) and yes, I do like a good debate. ;D

Some people just aren't cut out for hunting, and that's okay. But I personally love it, and will continue to enjoy it.

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 5:47 pm

Ranging God wrote:

Veggie Eater wrote:

Hey I'd like to apologize:
I didn't mean to offend any hunters.
And I'd like to say sorry.

I mean technology helps a lot with hunting, it's so much easier than it used to be. That's the same with everything. Communication [as in telephones, internet, etc], Transportation [Cars, Air Planes, Subways], etc

I mean as technology increases, everything becomes a lot easier, that's just how it goes. Do you kind of get what I'm saying?

So I was trying to point out that when people actually had to hunt for food, it was a lot harder, people had to really work for that food when now a days, it comes a lot easier. [But yes you still have to work for it]

I mean it's no one's fault, it's just society upgrading.

But yeah, just wanted to say sorry if I offended anyone. And I think that Ranging God was trying to point that out to, we just didn't really word it correctly.
Well, I don't know for sure if that is what he meant, but I'm just assuming.

So sorry >_< I'll be more careful with my words next time.

Ugh, stop getting bent like that. Stand up for your beliefs ffs. Dont be afraid to do so. Most ppl at RSBandB will talk to you about it and not get offended. I am sure RuneBeast is enjoying the conversation we are having.

And to clear up what I said. I was implying that it is harder to take a livingthings life if you have to do it with your hands. People say Oh other animals kill other animals, it's normal, but humans are one of the very animals to use tools. It is different to shoot something then to feel it's last heart beat in your hands, and see the life leave it's eyes. (oh gosh, too much Twilight for me!)

Haha I love the Twilight books =] I haven't read the new one yet thouh. I'll probably get it this weekend. [Have you read it yet?]
Anywho
I'm all for standing up for what I believe in. But that is really what I meant.
I mean I don't really like shoving my beliefs down other peoples throats. I used to do that when I first became vegetarian and I realized how obnoxious and annoying I sounded.
I really don't want to offend anyone.
I mean people know my opinion, I know theirs, and I don't wanna argue >_<

jointntoday · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 5:57 pm

i think we all kinda agree to dis-agree in one way or another

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** August 7th, 2008, 10:29 pm

I don't seek to restrict my diet because of animal abuse just as I don't go on hunger strikes in the name of peace.

Vegetarians themselves don't bother me unless they act self-righteous about it. If you choose to not eat meat because of your personal beliefs, knock yourself out. My personal belief is that meat is amazing and tasty and I don't like when people mess with my beliefs.

Alex · **Posted:** August 8th, 2008, 9:02 am

Ranging God wrote:

Ugh, stop getting bent like that. Stand up for your beliefs ffs. Dont be afraid to do so. Most ppl at RSBandB will talk to you about it and not get offended. I am sure RuneBeast is enjoying the conversation we are having.

And to clear up what I said. I was implying that it is harder to take a livingthings life if you have to do it with your hands. People say Oh other animals kill other animals, it's normal, but humans are one of the very animals to use tools. It is different to shoot something then to feel it's last heart beat in your hands, and see the life leave it's eyes. (oh gosh, too much Twilight for me!)

What the hell?

Just because she realized what she said wasn't correct as she hadn't given any evidence for her statement that the majority of hunters hunt by sitting in chairs.

I fail to see how she is getting 'bent' for apologizing for being wrong. Not everyone is stubborn.

Brad · **Posted:** August 8th, 2008, 9:34 am

Veggie Eater wrote:

Hey I'd like to apologize:
I didn't mean to offend any hunters.
And I'd like to say sorry.

I mean technology helps a lot with hunting, it's so much easier than it used to be. That's the same with everything. Communication [as in telephones, internet, etc], Transportation [Cars, Air Planes, Subways], etc

I mean as technology increases, everything becomes a lot easier, that's just how it goes. Do you kind of get what I'm saying?

So I was trying to point out that when people actually had to hunt for food, it was a lot harder, people had to really work for that food when now a days, it comes a lot easier. [But yes you still have to work for it]

I mean it's no one's fault, it's just society upgrading.

But yeah, just wanted to say sorry if I offended anyone. And I think that Ranging God was trying to point that out to, we just didn't really word it correctly.
Well, I don't know for sure if that is what he meant, but I'm just assuming.

So sorry >_< I'll be more careful with my words next time.

I didn't think you sounded obnoxious or opinionated enough to offend anyone.

But In my opinion apathy is the best attitude to have in these sorts of debates. ;p

Although it is nice to see topics with long thought out replies rather than the usual drivel.

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** August 8th, 2008, 12:55 pm

Brad wrote:

Veggie Eater wrote:

Hey I'd like to apologize:
I didn't mean to offend any hunters.
And I'd like to say sorry.

I mean technology helps a lot with hunting, it's so much easier than it used to be. That's the same with everything. Communication [as in telephones, internet, etc], Transportation [Cars, Air Planes, Subways], etc

I mean as technology increases, everything becomes a lot easier, that's just how it goes. Do you kind of get what I'm saying?

So I was trying to point out that when people actually had to hunt for food, it was a lot harder, people had to really work for that food when now a days, it comes a lot easier. [But yes you still have to work for it]

I mean it's no one's fault, it's just society upgrading.

But yeah, just wanted to say sorry if I offended anyone. And I think that Ranging God was trying to point that out to, we just didn't really word it correctly.
Well, I don't know for sure if that is what he meant, but I'm just assuming.

So sorry >_< I'll be more careful with my words next time.

I didn't think you sounded obnoxious or opinionated enough to offend anyone.

But In my opinion apathy is the best attitude to have in these sorts of debates. ;p

Although it is nice to see topics with long thought out replies rather than the usual drivel.

A lot of people replied to that seeming as if they were offended, and I worded what I was trying to say wrong anyway, so I thought I'd just explain myself.

I also think apathy is the ideal attitude for debates. But for me it's just that, ideal and not reality. It's impossible for me to debate about something I feel really strongly about without emotion.

If I was debating about something I didn't really care about then sure I could do it without emotion. But I can't do that while debating about vegetarianism so that's why I regret debating about it in the first place