Heaven

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** July 14th, 2008, 8:39 am

sk8249 wrote:

Me...I am an Athiest.
I dont believe there is a heaven, nor a hell.
I believe all the bible stuff was made up by a bunch of government dudes back in them times to keep the population of a city in line.
To me..the commandments were created as a way to scare and trick the citizens into believing if the commit a crime they will be bannished to hell.

Eloquent, but I wish you would've read the beginning of this topic (you know, the first part that was all in caps).

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NOTE: DON'T TURN THIS TO ANOTHER RELIGIOUS DEBATE ALTHOUGH WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY FOR MONTHS NOW. ALSO THIS DISCUSSION IS MOSTLY REGARDING 'HEAVEN' SO IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN IT, PRETEND YOU DO FOR NOW, LIKE I AM.

Adbot · **Posted:** July 14th, 2008, 8:39 am

EMS9889 · **Posted:** July 14th, 2008, 1:19 pm

I never thought about sinning in heaven because all i ever thought was if there was an eteranal peace ( heaven ) in the first place

Chief Snake · **Posted:** July 16th, 2008, 12:03 am

What would stop you from sinning in heaven?

Kyle wrote:

I believe heaven will be on levels, The better you lived your life the better you will be in Heaven. Billy Graham will get a mansion made of gold and i will get a shack made of corn stalks.

Wouldn't that make you jealous of other people with more? Possession certainly does not seem like the answer to me... Peace can only exist when either everyone has everything, or everyone has nothing. No matter how evolved your soul is.

Dylan420 · **Posted:** July 27th, 2008, 8:05 pm

Chief Snake wrote:

What would stop you from sinning in heaven?

Kyle wrote:

I believe heaven will be on levels, The better you lived your life the better you will be in Heaven. Billy Graham will get a mansion made of gold and i will get a shack made of corn stalks.

Wouldn't that make you jealous of other people with more? Possession certainly does not seem like the answer to me... Peace can only exist when either everyone has everything, or everyone has nothing. No matter how evolved your soul is.

I don't know how to express how much I agree with your point Chiefy

zvono · **Posted:** July 28th, 2008, 4:48 am

Even if I believed in heaven and all that there would be no way for me to get there, straight to hell

EMS9889 · **Posted:** August 4th, 2008, 12:02 pm

Im 1 of those people who wants to believe but sometimes doesnt i hope theres a heaven but i dont really think there is

Adbot · **Posted:** August 4th, 2008, 12:02 pm

Al3X · **Posted:** August 5th, 2008, 12:53 am

Mushroom Queen wrote:

I believe that sin is irrelevant in Heaven. In the New Testament, the Greek word for "sin" literally means "to miss the mark". When we sin, we miss the mark of becoming an emotionally and spiritually-fulfilled person. In Heaven, we're person-less. We have no body and, thus, we have no reason to sin.

As for entering Heaven, I think that generally being a good person and showing compassion and humanity toward people is what is expected.

I wouldn't know if Heaven was clouds and pearly gates as it's sometimes said, but I'm sure that being there means you're at eternal peace.

Very well said MQ, I don't think it couldve been depicted any better.

I kind of had the same Idea but wasn't sure how to say it. :oops:

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** August 5th, 2008, 9:00 pm

I think some things we consider "sins" now really aren't sins in the first place.
Like how people say that when two men are married, it's a sin. I think that's bull.
I mean I think if there is a God he will be more accepting than what some of the religious leaders are preaching.

I don't even think you'll get the option to make horrible sins in heaven. As in murder or something.

I don't even know. I think heaven is a nice thought, but I really don't think it's reality.

Matthew1987 · **Posted:** August 17th, 2008, 10:40 am

Veggie Eater wrote:

I mean I think if there is a God he will be more accepting than what some of the religious leaders are preaching.

There is something that created life, but it's not a 'he' and it doesn't give a **** about anything.

fuzzball · **Posted:** August 17th, 2008, 8:39 pm

Wellll...
I don't think that sin is possible in heaven.Everything in Heaven is holy,right? Sin is unholy,thus(therefor,thusly),it can't exist there.
I also think it's supposed to be like,you're so happy you wouldn't even want to do anything that's a sin,yeah?

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** August 17th, 2008, 9:13 pm

fuzzball wrote:

Wellll...
I don't think that sin is possible in heaven.Everything in Heaven is holy,right? Sin is unholy,thus(therefor,thusly),it can't exist there.
I also think it's supposed to be like,you're so happy you wouldn't even want to do anything that's a sin,yeah?

Well, I don't know. Lucifer sinned in Heaven by seeking to gain more power for himself. So, I suppose according to some theology, it IS possible to sin in Heaven.

Belgarion376 · **Posted:** August 27th, 2008, 2:29 am

sk8249 wrote:

Me...I am an Athiest.
I dont believe there is a heaven, nor a hell.
I believe all the bible stuff was made up by a bunch of government dudes back in them times to keep the population of a city in line.
To me..the commandments were created as a way to scare and trick the citizens into believing if the commit a crime they will be bannished to hell.

i coletely agree with you man but in the interest of the topic i think heavan is a metaphor its like having a warm fuzzy feeling while you sleep :p l0ol when you die you cant physically walk around and sin but you are at eternal rest and are eternally happy id there was any heavan i'd say that that is it