Guns, guns, guns.....

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** April 22nd, 2007, 7:17 pm

Jay wrote:

CreepyPirate wrote:

czskrazzi wrote:

Ok I want to say a few things here, and I don't care if my opinion isn't liked.

I'm going to rant a little here about guns..

Guns are not bad, but they are not good, plain and simple, there is no other truth to that.

A gun is soooo easy to get in america, you have to be 21, have a valid I.D. (license etc), and not charged with any felony's etc. There may be more but I'm not sure of anything else.. So the point to that is, they are a little to easy to get access too.

Gun violence, this will always happen no matter what, this is truth, nothing else. If there is a law passed in the U.S. that bans civilians from owning guns, do you really think that will stop or reduce killings by guns?. NO!. It will not!. Criminals and other people like that will always have access to weapons, knowing that most people wont have a gun to protect themselves, crime would actually increase.

It was said by some recently, to arm more people with guns? What the hell is wrong with people? More guns = more death, more violence.

Look ill get to the point, you cannot ban guns, you can't arm more people with guns, those will both increase crime, and deaths. Either way, nothing will change, people will always have guns, there will always be violence and killings by guns, innocent will die. The unfortunate truth about our human nature.

Well yes, it will. It's been proven it does, look at every country that has banned guns. Looking long term, more and more guns being removed from the flow it'll become harder and harder to get one and yes, ok, you might get organized criminals still using guns but you WONT get phycho school students doing it, because they don't have the means of getting a gun anymore.

You're right, you can't stop gun crime you could however greatly reduce it if it wasn't for this BS "I HAVE TEH RIGHT TO DEFEND MYSELF@@" crap.

I don't know if this has been said before, as I have not read this whole topic, but most of the shootings are by people with illegally obtained guns.
Physcho people will still manage to get guns illegally, therefore, banning guns will not stop most shootings.
And @ Maiden,

Maiden wrote:

In Texas, Guns are 100% legal. And guess what ? It is THE country with the LESS crimes! Why ? Because everyone has a gun.

Im still wondering why in country like America guns are legal but its has lot of crimes.

-.- Texas is not a country, it is a US state.

The killer the Virginia Tech shootings obtained his guns and ammo legally.

Also, I think people are missing the point as to why guns are so dangerous. In places that are poverty-stricken or densely populated, they tend to make the situation worse. While banning guns won't eliminate crime, it will make a huge impact on the fact that so many lives won't be lost due to such mindless and barbaric violence.

Adbot · **Posted:** April 22nd, 2007, 7:17 pm

czskrazzi · **Posted:** April 22nd, 2007, 7:31 pm

MQ your right, most guns used in crimes are obtained illegally. Usually they are stolen. Most of the guns aren't even registered.. There is another thing to consider, like Brad said, there is so many guns in America.

Just think of how many un-registered guns there are out there? Hundreds of thousands I'm sure. Ban guns? You take away the registered guns away from people who bought them for hunting, sports, protection, leaving criminals with illegally obtained firearms.

America is huge, and growing larger and larger. You have so many people out there that walk around with guns, willing to just kill people over a couple dollars in change. I've seen it many times on the news, people killed because they walked in the wrong neighborhood, or maybe cause they are a certain color. Just a few months ago a guy was raped by 3 other guys, and executed at point blank range to the head, left rotting in a field. But wait, thats right, as creepy said, ban guns and that will go away.. IT WILL NOT!.

I'm not making this thread pleading everyone to take up arms and buy a gun. If you think that's what I'm doing, then smash your head against something please. Continuously creepy you have tried to insult me, put words in my mouth, and turn everything around into how its like in your country, and how your so perfectly safe, which your not. I have not once said that banning guns won't do any good. I am living in America, I see what really happens here sometimes. You think this whole thread is stuff i make up? The point of this thread is that guns are to easy to get access to. I'd like to keep it on topic and too the point. Thank you to those who have and not tried to ruin this thread.

Keep up the comments, ideas, suggestions about gun control and what the real problem is. I wish it was as easy as banning guns, and having extremely low crime. But it just simply won't happen. Not in America at least. Guns are obtained so easily, people that are very unstable can easily get them. That's a huge problem.

Rune Beast0 · **Posted:** April 22nd, 2007, 7:41 pm

I agree with Krazzi here.

Also, the killer at Virginia Tech was known to have mental problems. A couple years back, he had been in a mental hospital. I think that before people can get a gun, they should get a psychiatric evaluation first. People should also have to wait a few months after asking for a gun to get it, this would take away the incentive of 'my husband is a *****, I want to get a gun and kill him now', they'd have to wait, which gives things the chance to smooth out.

You should also have to get a new gun license each couple months, so that America can keep track of the guns in the country and who they belong to.

Chi Meng · **Posted:** April 22nd, 2007, 8:29 pm

Guns don't kill. People kill.

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 3:12 am

Chi Meng wrote:

Guns don't kill. People kill.

No they just assist people in killing.

Also i've not once insulted anyone on this topic, merely defended my opinion, guns kill people, a gun was made to harm other humans. That was it's original purpose and i strongly disagree with anyone owning a gun or them even being legal. And i will defend that, having an opinion doesn't make me a flamer or "the bad guy".

Guns are fine for police, military, even farmers. Hunting with guns is fine but you rent the gun, you should never be allowed to own one. Argue it however you like, say whatever you like but there are to many **** idiots in this world for guns to be legal anywhere. America is proof of it.

And before you flip out, no i was not calling all americans stupid.

The Haysta · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 3:55 am

What does a farmer need a gun for, shooting at tresspassers while waving a pitchfork?

Adbot · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 3:55 am

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 5:20 am

Agent Waffles wrote:

What does a farmer need a gun for, shooting at tresspassers while waving a pitchfork?

To kill off any animals that may wish to attack there animals. Foxes come in and kill chickens so yeah, unless you plan on giong hand to hand with a fox you'd need a gun to kill it and protect the things.

The Haysta · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 5:41 am

Fair enough. I suppose it is kind of hard to strangle a fox.

Gontcha · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 11:17 am

Meh, people will always find a way to kill each other, ban guns, they'll knive eachother, ban knives , they'll bite each other, etc. Violence is in the nature of men, but making guns very accessible is really dangerous, like adolescents with guns at school. What if they're high on something and they'll see you as a duck? I've had someone pointing a gun ( real/fake, IDK) at me, but the police could "arrest"him.

After I typed down my random thoughts, I'm coming to my conclusion:

Only allow people, who really have the necessity in a fire arm, to buy them.
ex. A money courier
Fight the illegal weapons with heavy punishments (i.e. Few thousands hours community service)
Minimalize the need in weapons

Chi Meng · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 4:00 pm

CreepyPirate wrote:

Chi Meng wrote:

Guns don't kill. People kill.

No they just assist people in killing.

Also i've not once insulted anyone on this topic, merely defended my opinion, guns kill people, a gun was made to harm other humans. That was it's original purpose and i strongly disagree with anyone owning a gun or them even being legal. And i will defend that, having an opinion doesn't make me a flamer or "the bad guy".

Guns are fine for police, military, even farmers. Hunting with guns is fine but you rent the gun, you should never be allowed to own one. Argue it however you like, say whatever you like but there are to many **** idiots in this world for guns to be legal anywhere. America is proof of it.

And before you flip out, no i was not calling all americans stupid.

I agree with you on that. But, it's not only guns that people use to kill. Banning guns would just start a chain reaction. Yes, guns kill, but so do knives, cars, all kinds of things. Does that mean we have to ban those also? I believe statistics show that more people die in car accidents than from gun violence. Why don't we just ban all cars? Thats when we become too liberal.

Mikhail · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 4:08 pm

Well I believe that Guns, should be only sold to people such as LEO's (Law Enforcement Officers), military personnel,Individuals who went to army or any branch,...And of course excesive background checks, as well as holding a gun for a week or few days until everything clears...Anyone agree with this i think that guns shouldnt be available to general public that easily.

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 4:24 pm

Chi Meng wrote:

CreepyPirate wrote:

Chi Meng wrote:

Guns don't kill. People kill.

No they just assist people in killing.

Also i've not once insulted anyone on this topic, merely defended my opinion, guns kill people, a gun was made to harm other humans. That was it's original purpose and i strongly disagree with anyone owning a gun or them even being legal. And i will defend that, having an opinion doesn't make me a flamer or "the bad guy".

Guns are fine for police, military, even farmers. Hunting with guns is fine but you rent the gun, you should never be allowed to own one. Argue it however you like, say whatever you like but there are to many **** idiots in this world for guns to be legal anywhere. America is proof of it.

And before you flip out, no i was not calling all americans stupid.

I agree with you on that. But, it's not only guns that people use to kill. Banning guns would just start a chain reaction. Yes, guns kill, but so do knives, cars, all kinds of things. Does that mean we have to ban those also? I believe statistics show that more people die in car accidents than from gun violence. Why don't we just ban all cars? Thats when we become too liberal.

Yes but a car, a knife and so on have an everyday purpose. The majority of gun owners have no everyday purpose for a gun. A car is designed to get you from A to B. A knife is designed to cut things (none-human things XD).

A gun? It's designed to kill other humans.

That's the difference. That's why you should ban guns and not cars and the such.

edit: To the guy below, i meant there original purpose.

Mikhail · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 4:53 pm

Well gun is not made just to kill humans, you can use it for target shooting, getting rid of rodents, as well as hunting, sure i have a friend in Cali, he has Semi auto Ar-15 and uses it for hunting... Just be glad that Full auto weapons are banned if there were full auto's legal for civilian ownership, 100's of deaths would occur, if people like the VT killer bought one...

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 5:26 pm

The Beatles wrote:

Well gun is not made just to kill humans, you can use it for target shooting, getting rid of rodents, as well as hunting, sure i have a friend in Cali, he has Semi auto Ar-15 and uses it for hunting... Just be glad that Full auto weapons are banned if there were full auto's legal for civilian ownership, 100's of deaths would occur, if people like the VT killer bought one...

Yes i know that, i meant there original purpose and i've already said this:

i wrote wrote:

Guns are fine for police, military, even farmers. Hunting with guns is fine but you rent the gun, you should never be allowed to own one. Argue it however you like, say whatever you like but there are to many **** idiots in this world for guns to be legal anywhere. America is proof of it.

Mikhail · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2007, 5:31 pm

For example go to ukraine...You can't even own a firearm there, nothing but a Shotgun (hunting)