Guns, guns, guns.....

czskrazzi · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 11:27 am

I've said what I've said.. In some cases you can defend yourself without a gun. Martial arts, the average person doesn't know how to even fight.

Point is, if guns are banned, there will be a black market of them. Crazed criminals, gun runners etc will still get them and supply them. Just like drugs people, they are illegal, but they are everywhere..Guns are and will be the same.

Cars don't kill people, people kill people, same with guns.

I agree there should be stricter gun control, i wish everyone would read my post more in depth and actually see what I'm trying to say.

My point was guns are way to easy to get. There does need to be more limitations, more control on them. Banning them is no the answer, arming more people with them is not the answer. If your going to sit there and say that no one should be allowed guns, then shut up and think for once. If you ban guns, criminals can still get them, through gun runners, a black market of guns. There will still be deaths, face the facts. The answer is stricter gun control.

One way to think of it right now is basically its like a mother who gives her child anything he/she wants. The kids begs for candy, he gets it. Not enough control.. Someone in the U.S. wants a gun, 3 main things they need to get it, be 21, valid I.D., and no criminal record i believe.. WAY TO **** EASY!!!!.

I'm all for less violence, for less deaths, for less guns.. Too many irresponsible people have them. There's need to be more control. Americans are spoiled with freedoms and generally take them for granted (NOT EVERYONE).. So don't flip out.

Adbot · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 11:27 am

czskrazzi · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 11:41 am

I guess some posts were deleted, i didnt double post.

CreepyPirate wrote:

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I wish it was as easy as banning guns. But it will never happen, lately I've been a realist. I see the facts, and I face reality, not hide behind some stupid belief that makes me feel better and safer. I face reality, and I deal with it.

Apparently reality is getting your life ruined cause you think you have the right to take the law into your own hands.

Apparently your trying to turn my thread into a flame war and also putting words into my mouth that aren't there. Reality is causing my life to be ruined? Why because I'm willing to protect my own life if i feel its necessary. I don't know about you, but i would rather be alive than have someone take my life. If your life is so terrible you can't defend yourself, more power to you.

But keep the thread to the subject and the point since you seem you want to try to personally attack me. Ill even caps it all just in case the point of the thread has been forgotten. "THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE GUN CONTROL"!!!!..

The Beatles. In Australia for the most part its like that. Many years ago in Tasmania there was a mass murder, i can't remember everything that happened, but if im correct, it was in a church and this crazy guy killed many people. Australia banned guns after that. Its extremely hard for people to get guns there now. Unless your in the military etc.. It worked there.

When I say that guns wont be banned here in America, you have to look at what the American population is like. There are many groups of people, some that think there is a constant war going on, so they feel they must have 10+ guns on them at all times..There would be a lot of bad things that would happen if guns were banned. Not because of guns themselves, but how people would act based on guns being banned. It's been too much of a freedom in America to have guns..

Evelyn · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 12:16 pm

The second amendment says nothing about bullets.

Take away the ammo, and it's done.

Slimppu · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 12:45 pm

czskrazzi wrote:

I personally don't give a flip for this "Right to bear arms". I believe anyone has the right to defend themself with a firearm. No offense to anyone, but if you think its stupid to defend yourself with a firearm, learn some real logic please. If your confronted by anyone with a gun, and unless you can dodge bullets, your survival is extremely low if you don't have a gun.

Okay. Who the HELL is such an idiot to kill a person without a very good reason? Who the HELL would go to jail for rest of your life? Seeing as you're a normal American, i don't believe ANYONE is going to shoot you. No one, even americans, are not that stupid.

Brandt · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 12:50 pm

Creepy ,one thing you dont know as being British is, that it is in every Americans mind the we are free. The right to bear arms is one those freedoms to protect you "life, libery, and the pursuit of happiness". They banned Weed in america, yet almost 20-30% of all teens will use it at least once before they get out of highschool. Banning it will do good. Even if the US banned guns, there would be hundreds of cases into our Supreme Court, and the court would have to rule it unconstitutional. Most americans use their guns anyways for hunting..etc..if you ban guns, all those people would sue the country to unconstitutional legistlature.

czskrazzi · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 1:24 pm

Slimppu wrote:

czskrazzi wrote:

I personally don't give a flip for this "Right to bear arms". I believe anyone has the right to defend themself with a firearm. No offense to anyone, but if you think its stupid to defend yourself with a firearm, learn some real logic please. If your confronted by anyone with a gun, and unless you can dodge bullets, your survival is extremely low if you don't have a gun.

Okay. Who the HELL is such an idiot to kill a person without a very good reason? Who the HELL would go to jail for rest of your life? Seeing as you're a normal American, i don't believe ANYONE is going to shoot you. No one, even americans, are not that stupid.

People that are criminals, people with problems with their brain, maybe cause of a bad childhood? People on drugs.. Ive personally seen people ready to kill others, because they were high, or because they had many many personal problems.. These are the types of people who are stupid enough just kill anyone. Some care about the fact they would go to jail, some don't.. This is not just in America btw, this can happen anywhere. Some people are raised to hate certain races, or certain types of people. They might join organizations against certain races. KKK, Skinheads etc. Also ill point out those hardcore gangs that don't mess around. They will simply kill people just to do it, or to prove they are a powerful gang.!!

Btw, I'm not an American, and I do not want to be an American. I just happen to live in America.. If I had it my way, i could think of at least 2 countries i'd like to move to right now.

Adbot · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 1:24 pm

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 2:32 pm

Slimppu wrote:

czskrazzi wrote:

I personally don't give a flip for this "Right to bear arms". I believe anyone has the right to defend themself with a firearm. No offense to anyone, but if you think its stupid to defend yourself with a firearm, learn some real logic please. If your confronted by anyone with a gun, and unless you can dodge bullets, your survival is extremely low if you don't have a gun.

Okay. Who the HELL is such an idiot to kill a person without a very good reason? Who the HELL would go to jail for rest of your life? Seeing as you're a normal American, i don't believe ANYONE is going to shoot you. No one, even americans, are not that stupid.

You can explain your point without insulting.

Honestly, I don't think everyday citizens should own guns. Most of the time, the only people who end up hurt are children or innocent people. We, as citizens, rely on the government to protect us. We do not take the ability to determine whether or not someone lives or dies into our own hands. To be honest, there are just too many morons that own guns in the US.

The Killer · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 7:05 pm

Just a thought, if the government were to put heavy taxes and require licenses just to own a gun, would that help?

czskrazzi wrote:

I've said what I've said.. In some cases you can defend yourself without a gun. Martial arts, the average person doesn't know how to even fight.

That's why parents send their children for taekwondo/karate lessons. Well, afaik in my country every parent does. imo it's pretty much the same thing as having a gun, except for some differences.

Tidus · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 7:29 pm

IMO, the real matter is not really the possibility to own a gun, it's the guns which are sold.

What's the point of a Tec-9 or M4? You won't go deer hunting with that. Those guns are meant to either Kill a human, or Train to kill humans. Those guns belong to the army, not to civilians. WTF.

Alright I'm being retarded. Tidus out.

The Killer · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 7:36 pm

But that kid killed people with a glock.

Evelyn · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 7:43 pm

Simple, airport-like security.

"Please arrive 60 years before class starts"

...maybe not.

But have more security at schools to check for guns may help.

Ult_Mac_Dady · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 8:29 pm

Kill3rz wrote:

But that kid killed people with a glock.

What are you talking about?

On topic

I agree, you can get a gun way to easy. There needs to be more strict rules, witch would lower the number of people with guns.

EDIT: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/schools/gun.control/

Just go to NYC (or Illinoes) and buy a shotgun XD.

czskrazzi · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 10:19 pm

Ult_Mac_Dady wrote:

Kill3rz wrote:

But that kid killed people with a glock.

What are you talking about?

On topic

I agree, you can get a gun way to easy. There needs to be more strict rules, witch would lower the number of people with guns.

EDIT: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/schools/gun.control/

Just go to NYC (or Illinoes) and buy a shotgun XD.

Glock is a company that makes firearms. Mostly high quality tactical hand guns.

Back on topic.

I believe most of us can all agree than gun control is a big issue. Without any doubt, we can all sit here and argue good and bad reasons for guns. Which the fact is, there is both good and bad to them. However, yes there needs to be more gun control.

Should every school in the U.S. have security? Metal Detectors? In a sense, yes. That will reduce these violent gun crimes taking place within a school of innocent children, teenagers or adults. Of course a lot of politics and government would come into place complaining about the increase of money put into that instead of it going into other less important things.

I think there should be more restrictions on guns. Besides what requirements you need now, there should be many others. Such as, a psych test. Full medical background checks only into the areas of, if your mentally stable to own a gun. I'm sure I could think of many more to add, but this was just an example.

Besides our human nature, as MQ said bluntly, there are too many morons that own guns. I agree that I myself, cannot decide who lives or dies, i really don't want to make that decision ever. If I'm ever put into a life of death situation, and I'm left with no choice other than to defend and protect my life from being ended, then I'll do that. I have some fighting skills. But in many cases hand to hand combat and self defense can only help me so much.

CreepyPirate wrote:

Guns get used in big big criminal going on's. I don't need to worry about one coming in my house, i don't need to feel like i have to own a gun incase a burglar comes in, like you. Because it simply will not happen.

If you believe that saying that makes you feel safer, then ok thats how you feel. But in any house, anyone can break in, unless of course your a millionare with thousands invested in security. Just remember, theres always the chance someone can break in, and can hurt or kill you. I'm sure all the students at VA tech school felt very safe before what happened, imagine how they feel now? Pure example of what "can" happen.

Evelyn · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 10:37 pm

Ult_Mac_Dady wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/schools/gun.control/

Lol, try Arizona.

Yeah, there should be some sort of background check before anyone gets a gun.

czskrazzi · **Posted:** April 21st, 2007, 10:42 pm

Cliff Dude wrote:

Ult_Mac_Dady wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/schools/gun.control/

Lol, try Arizona.

Yeah, there should be some sort of background check before anyone gets a gun.

Interesting Link.. Way to **** easy to get em.. tsk tsk tsk.