Are you really that hungry??? ( lol, thx brad = p )

Matt · **Posted:** October 5th, 2006, 6:54 pm

The Unknown Man wrote:

I highly doubt it those numbers will be true. I don't think I will ever see why there are people of this type. I find it stupid the way you guys think, and I will always.

Honestly why would half the population not eat food because it felt pain, or what ever stupid reason you come up with. Its just a stupid reason to not eat something. So what are you going to do about all those animals they died way before you? I think you veggie people are a bunch of wimps, for the way you think.

And this video is showing cruelty to animals, so why isn't any talking about that anymore? Go after the people that look for these people and not the people the harm them. If you try and do something to those people nothing may happen that's where you have to get those goverment peoples.

This is my opinion and I am entitled to it so no need to flame.

You call vegetarians stupid and you call them wimps and then you say not to flame? I'm pretty sure this is flaming in itself and I don't see where you can get away saying things like that. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion but not when it offends others.

Also, animal cruelty still exists. It would be better to know your facts before making such accusations. Making statements as such most times cause you to appear less intelligent. As well, I fail to understand the sentences after the first in your third paragraph.

- Matt

Adbot · **Posted:** October 5th, 2006, 6:54 pm

Bogrollbloke · **Posted:** October 5th, 2006, 11:45 pm

I thought I'd posted here.

Anyway.

Yes, animal cruelty is around, and if were not going to be in denial about it, it always is. Changing what you eat and your entire lifestyle because you don't like the way some cow or chicken is treated, then in my opinion you are very misguided. Just because you start eating grass and leaves doesn't mean farmers are going to stop forcing cows to lactate; putting chickens inside cages half their size; as well as feeding the animals so much crap that they're on the brink of mutation.

I can understand going vegetarian because you don't like the taste of meat, or maybe because you are alergic perhaps. But not because of the ethics, considering vegetarians play no role in a farmers choice to rape his cows.

Thanks.

Chief Snake · **Posted:** October 6th, 2006, 4:06 pm

http://www.mercola.com/2000/feb/6/veget ... gnancy.htm
Don't click if you're immature. You have been warned. -.-

*Dr. Mercola's Comments* wrote:

The evidence continues to mount. Just because you are a vegetarian does not mean you are healthy. One of the main reasons is due to the soy issue addressed here. It appears that the soy phytoestrogens increased the risk of the birth defect by 500%. Not only are the soy phytoesrogens an issue, but most vegetarians consume far too little protein and far too many grains. However, the vegetables, or course, are a huge benefit and to provide some partial compensation in some areas.

Quite clearly humans are designed to eat some meat.
Usually I wouldn't even bother posting on a topic like this, it intrigues me as to why they are made in the first place, but I suppose some people like a good controversial debate every now and then.

Sev · **Posted:** October 6th, 2006, 4:21 pm

I do feel sorry for those animals but it's the Circle of Life.

You can't teach a lion to eat tofu.

Ranging God · **Posted:** October 7th, 2006, 12:48 pm

No, I am not avegan, but the reson I have the "Go Vegan" sig is caz there isent one that says "Go Vegitarian" lol

Ryan · **Posted:** October 7th, 2006, 12:52 pm

I agree with Bogrollbloke.

People going vegan isn't going to change peoples views on what to do with cattle. They have pruposes. If the cow was bred to be slaughtered, then slaughtered it shall be. If it was bred to live, it shall live.

p.s. The vid made me cry, and nothing makes ryanb cry o.O

Adbot · **Posted:** October 7th, 2006, 12:52 pm

Crysala · **Posted:** October 7th, 2006, 2:57 pm

ryanb wrote:

I agree with Bogrollbloke.

People going vegan isn't going to change peoples views on what to do with cattle. They have pruposes. If the cow was bred to be slaughtered, then slaughtered it shall be. If it was bred to live, it shall live.

p.s. The vid made me cry, and nothing makes ryanb cry o.O

I dont get it, the video made you cry but you still dont care about the welfare of the animals? Hypocrite much?

The ethical side of becoming a vegetarian/vegan is so that hopefully if enough people make the change the animals that are now dieing for nothing will stop being bred to be killed. The point of doing it, is to try and stop the damage thats being done in such savage ways. Laugh if you will, but I like the fact that I can enjoy looking at a cow without thinking about how its going to taste on my plate a couple months down the track.

Little lambs, cute calfs, even the dolphins you think are so cute will all somehow end up on your plate if you eat meat long enough. Think about it.

Oh and Ranging God:

Bogrollbloke · **Posted:** October 7th, 2006, 3:57 pm

That video will only be showing the worse sides of animal cruelty. There are countless farms working to prevent animal cruelty in England.

The Haysta · **Posted:** October 7th, 2006, 4:06 pm

That is really just exagerating and showing the worst of battery animals

I usually eat Free Ranged animals. And sometimes we eat our own chickens if they are too old, have an accident or the like.

If you can eat an animal without pity, be proud, you are following the order of life.

Ranging God · **Posted:** October 7th, 2006, 7:32 pm

Bogrollbloke wrote:

That video will only be showing the worse sides of animal cruelty. There are countless farms working to prevent animal cruelty in England.

Ok, sho wme a video of them killing naimals in a humain way then...

trekkie · **Posted:** October 7th, 2006, 7:49 pm

meet is good. case close

i'll admit i can't kill one but i'll sure eat it.
just so you know, good farms don't brad cows with a hot iron anymore

Bogrollbloke · **Posted:** October 8th, 2006, 4:17 am

Ranging God wrote:

Bogrollbloke wrote:

That video will only be showing the worse sides of animal cruelty. There are countless farms working to prevent animal cruelty in England.

Ok, sho wme a video of them killing naimals in a humain way then...

I can't because people don't make videos of themselves killing animals. It's just not the done thing. Peta are doing it as propaganda, not because they like making videos and get all excited when they can go on the internet. All ASDA, english version of Wal-Mart sells now are free range eggs and meat. Granted the milk will still come from it's usual way, but stores are trying their best to make things the way they should be, and with all this effort shops and stores are making, and you go and start eating grass outside and say "Nah sorry, I don't need any of your effort", they stop making the effort, which will in turn mean that nothing helpful will be done.

Chris · **Posted:** October 8th, 2006, 12:39 pm

I'm a big time hunter. I shoot animals all the time. I duck hunt, I goose hunt, I pheasant hunt, and I deer hunt. I am a big meat eater, and always will be. I don't see what is wrong with it. It is the way of life. It's called the food chain. Have you seen a carnivore ever kill its prey in a humain way?

And if you do want humain killing, it is archery hunting. If you can hit that deer just right, the arrow will go right through some blood vessels and the animal will die a painless death from blood loss. Some deer go right back to eating once they have been shot as if nothing has happened, and eventually fall over.

MattVortex · **Posted:** October 8th, 2006, 12:52 pm

Chris wrote:

And if you do want humain killing, it is archery hunting. If you can hit that deer just right, the arrow will go right through some blood vessels and the animal will die a painless death from blood loss. Some deer go right back to eating once they have been shot as if nothing has happened, and eventually fall over.

I do archery. In england, though, hunting with archery has been banned for about 500 years, because of some stupid King a while ago.

I know someone who goes over to the states to hunt, and he has told stories of people who have perfectly severed deers' spines and stuff like that.

But I could never do it, I dont think. My conscience is huge, and even killing an animal would make me feel really guilty.

Brad · **Posted:** October 8th, 2006, 1:53 pm

Ranging God wrote:

Bogrollbloke wrote:

That video will only be showing the worse sides of animal cruelty. There are countless farms working to prevent animal cruelty in England.

Ok, sho wme a video of them killing naimals in a humain way then...

Why would people make videos of that?
99/100 an animal is slaughtered humanely. I would even go as far as saying that Peta staged that video themselves, just so they had some more garbage to spew out to the guilable public. Many more times than not, the animals are killed humanely. So that is why I have no problem eating meat. But like people have said, this is a question with no right answer, people will want to believe that their side of the argument is the true one, but ofcourse there can be no logical answer to this. But one side seems to exaggerate their arguments greatly.