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 Post subject: The Browser Wars - What will the future hold?
PostPosted: October 20th, 2006, 2:52 pm 
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In 1993, 99.7% of people used a browser called Mosaic. It was the first browser ever to run on Windows, which ensured its popularity.

In 1994, Netscape navigator was released. Within a year, it had 50% of the market share.

In 1995, Internet Explorer was released. It started slowly at first, and in its first year only gained about 7% market share. Netscape crushed Mosaic during this time, gaining most of the market share. Around the same time, Opera was released.

Between 1998 and 1999, IE overtook Netscape in the first "Browser Wars". By 2001, IE had around 90% market share.

Netscape, seeing their rapid decline, decided to open source its browser and the Mozilla Foundation was formed. The Mozilla browser gained a following, although a small one. In 2003, Mozilla held about 2% market share, and IE had basically all of the rest. Around the same time, Opera upgraded to version 7, and its Presto rendering engine, and started growing.

In 2004, Mozilla's testing project Firebird was renamed Firefox, and V 0.8 of the popular browser was released. On November 9th 2004, Firefox 1.0 was released to the public, and a potential solution to Spyware, Ads, Popups, as well as the ability to have tabbed browsing. It instantly gained in popularity, more and more people downloading it every day. It went from a 5% market share to a 8% market share in 2005.

On the 20th September 2005, Opera became free. There was not so much of a jump in market share, although it certainly started growing. It boasted speed above all others, tabbed browsing (which it actually had since its very first release), as well as immensely good security, and a popup blocker that surpassed that of Firefox.

IE was gradually, but steadily losing market share. Its peak of more than 90% in 2002 was falling, below 90%, then below 85%. Firefox and Opera were gaining a loyal following as Internet Explorer started losing ground.

And so now, we see the release of IE7, with tabbed browsing (which Opera has had for 11 years and Mozilla has had for 4), RSS Feeds, and other features that have been standard in other browsers for years. There is no innovation in IE7, its all just copying the competition.

So where will we see IE go in the next few years? Still it has problems - it does not pass Acid2; in fact, the IE developers have actually said they wont try and make it pass Acid2. There are still security issues; it is still lacking in features, and it still doesnt render so many sites correctly.

All of these problems are not problems at all in Firefox or Opera - they will both render valid markup correctly. Firefox is backed by a large developer base, the open source community always kicking in to make it better; and the Opera programmers are gods of their art. Compared to Microsoft, however, these two companies are tiny, making very little money at all in comparison. Why is Internet Explorer still not standards-compliant, when Microsoft has so much money?

These problems are leading to the ultimate downfall of IE. IE7 is no more standards compliant than IE6, really, except for a few bugs in the IE6 rendering engine. PNG Alpha-channel transparency has only just been released, when it could have been released so much earlier. And IE still doesnt support SVG.

Firefox and Opera are now the browsers leading the revolution, with IE just following along. There is no innovation, no originality.

So what will happen?

Well, IE will never completely lose its market share. The fact that IE is bundled with Windows is going to ensure its continued chunk of market share (after all, there are many idiots around); but Firefox and Opera will increase in popularity. IE7 is a desperate attempt to gain back market share that has miserably failed.

Still, no-one with any sense takes IE seriously. Web developers become increasingly more annoyed as valid html and xhtml fails to render properly in IE, me included. There are many websites now that say 'best viewed in firefox', and these are going to get increasingly more prevalent, to the point where developers refuse to allow it to work in IE - completely blocking it out. This may lead to the ultimate downfall of IE, it may not.

IE7 is differently designed to IE6 - its not specifically part of windows anymore, whereas IE6 was incredibly integrated into the OS. This could show that Microsoft are starting to take IE out of the OS to the point where it can be removed. Maybe IE8 will be a completely seperate, removable program, maybe not.

The popularity of IE is falling. Whether it will completely lose its market share is uncertain, but the thing that is nearly certain is that both FF and Opera will gain popularity.

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Yeah, I agree with the HTMl stuff with IE. Once, I finally just gave up and decided to let IE view the page that way. I think that IE might simply die in a few years.Opera loads veeeeery slow for me =/


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MasterOfTheVortex wrote:
And IE still doesnt support SVG.


Which still ***** me off. >.>

Lord Zammorak wrote:
Yeah, I agree with the HTMl stuff with IE. Once, I finally just gave up and decided to let IE view the page that way. I think that IE might simply die in a few years.


Lord Zammorak, do you even understand what you're talking about? :-s What do you mean by "I finally just gave up and decided to let IE view the page that way"?

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Lord Zammorak wrote:
Yeah, I agree with the HTMl stuff with IE. Once, I finally just gave up and decided to let IE view the page that way. I think that IE might simply die in a few years.Opera loads veeeeery slow for me =/


Internet explorer won't ever go away. It's compadablity with CSS is outstanding. It's really the only thing it's good for. :P Microsoft copyrighted the coloring of the scroll bar. So opera and mozilla cannot use it.

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Nate wrote:
Microsoft copyrighted the coloring of the scroll bar. So opera and mozilla cannot use it.


Opera does. Look, this is the RSBandB forum scrollbar, viewed in Opera:

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Internet explorer ... It's compadablity with CSS is outstanding.


Compatiblity with CSS is outstanding? Hardly. Both Opera and Firefox have supported CSS2 for at least a year, whereas IE has only just implemented it. Opera and FF even support some features of CSS3, which hasnt even been officially released yet.

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Internet explorer won't ever go away.


I know that. But it will certainly drop in popularity as FF and Opera gain popularity.

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Nate wrote:
Lord Zammorak wrote:
Yeah, I agree with the HTMl stuff with IE. Once, I finally just gave up and decided to let IE view the page that way. I think that IE might simply die in a few years.Opera loads veeeeery slow for me =/


Internet explorer won't ever go away. It's compatibility with CSS is outstanding. It's really the only thing it's good for. :P Microsoft copyrighted the coloring of the scroll bar. So opera and mozilla cannot use it.

C'mon, the scroll bar coloring is lame. It seemed cool at first when I got into CSS, but then you start to realize its useless.

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Nowadays all I use IE for is PDF's. Firefox is used for everything else.


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PostPosted: October 21st, 2006, 1:50 pm 
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Nowadays all I use IE for is PDF's. Firefox is used for everything else.


I seem to remember using FF for pdfs when i used it...

Oh well, the Acrobat plugin works in Opera, so i can still view them.

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Wow, did you write all that?
yes, I see IE still being here in years to come, but only for people who just started using the computer.
I also think FF is going to start coming on XP's automaticaly

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Ranging God wrote:
Wow, did you write all that?
yes, I see IE still being here in years to come, but only for people who just started using the computer.
I also think FF is going to start coming on XP's automaticaly


Yup, i wrote all of that, and did the research for it. I'll probably write an essay like this every friday, on various topics, so look out for them :)

Dell were going to offer Firefox on computers, however got in trouble about it. The australian authorities didnt like them shipping it, so Dell dont do it anymore.

I dont think any different browser should be shipped with windows computers by default. However, users should be presented with alternatives and reasons for these alternatives. For example, when a new user opens up IE the first time, it should say 'We think you should get Opera or Firefox instead', or something like that.

What I would like to see is something like on Mac OS X - the Safari browser is shipped by default with it, but is removable without breaking the OS.

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I think microsoft will make a browser. And will make millions.

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MasterOfTheVortex wrote:
Nate wrote:
Internet explorer ... It's compadablity with CSS is outstanding.


Compatiblity with CSS is outstanding? Hardly. Both Opera and Firefox have supported CSS2 for at least a year, whereas IE has only just implemented it. Opera and FF even support some features of CSS3, which hasnt even been officially released yet.


I think when Nate said that, he was being sarcastic.

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MasterOfTheVortex wrote:
Chris wrote:
Nowadays all I use IE for is PDF's. Firefox is used for everything else.


I seem to remember using FF for pdfs when i used it...

Oh well, the Acrobat plugin works in Opera, so i can still view them.


Yes, you can view PDFs in Firefox.
FF 2.0 has just been released, any thoughts on it so far from those who've used it? I'm a little disappointed, but it's still a bit better than the old version.

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PostPosted: October 28th, 2006, 6:51 pm 
No matter what most of you say, Opera is the better browser as of now.
Sure, firefox is good, but opera follows up to w3 standards better than firefox. Opera can pass the acid2 test (If 2.0 can pass it too, ignore this, I haven't touched a different browser since I found opera :D)
Also, Opera is more secure than Internet Explorer, Firefox, Seamonkey, Minefield, etc.
Check out this site, http://firefoxmyths.com
But, no matter what, IE sucks, though more than half the internet uses it... If it wasn't for my curiousity (I googled "better browser" :P) I'd be stuck with IE (Imagine deleting their internet explorer! <whine>omh u delted intrnet</whine>)


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Im using firefox @ the moment, but i use IE7 occasionaly, and it is reeeeeeeeal slow Lol

My father doesnt wanna download FF on laptop

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