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PostPosted: March 3rd, 2009, 7:31 am 
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I'd just like to express my concern over the fact the 'news' was broken while hidden away in the informer, rather than on an announcement in the SOTW forum or elsewhere.

The SOTM is not the SOTW.

Removing it is pure laziness. With no personal offence intended; the SOTW has not been run efficiently for a while and I suspect the SOTM suffered the same kind of neglect. Simply deciding on a whim that it's 'essentially the same thing' after months of saying it wasn't is quite honestly, a mask for saying you couldn't be bothered to manage it any more.

As the number of votes fall for the SOTW, as they have been quite dramatically, it'll be no surprise to see that in a few weeks time the SOTW will mysteriously disappear too "because it's not needed, or isn't popular", but certainly not because the management can't be ****.

Well done slimppu for winning SOTM.

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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
PostPosted: March 3rd, 2009, 1:17 pm 
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Anubis wrote:
Removing it is pure laziness. With no personal offence intended; the SOTW has not been run efficiently for a while and I suspect the SOTM suffered the same kind of neglect. Simply deciding on a whim that it's 'essentially the same thing' after months of saying it wasn't is quite honestly, a mask for saying you couldn't be bothered to manage it any more.


Absolutely not. If we wanted to be lazy there's more things we could "neglect" to do that are harder to do than SOTM. It was a conscious decision made when the new SOTW system was started, it's not something we just pulled out of our hat randomly.

Thank you for your concern though, our decision stands.

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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
PostPosted: March 3rd, 2009, 2:04 pm 
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Funny, how come this 'conscious decision' wasn't mentioned at the same time the SotW got degraded? Hm?

But why not just remove the SOTW completely? I mean, much like various other graphics orientated sects of this forum, isn't it pointless to the community? Oh, maybe you don't remove it because people like it? Because they like entering? Is this not the same with the SotM? Hell, a while back I was going to suggest a SotYear, then i figured it'd just get shot down as I'm not of importance.

(The sandbox only died when the powers from above figured it was right to do so; ignoring the complaining from members beforehand and the literature forum (though a mistake) only appeared when a mod supported it, are just two that come to mind)

Keeping the SotW solely for the idea that people enjoy it, contradicts a lot of decisions made by the selective few who're allowed to give input, removal of the SOTM really does only show that 'you people' can't be bothered to keep it up and running. Unless there are 'other' reasons behind it as well.

Of course, I'm aware your decision will stand regardless of what anyone says; but indeed, this is laziness. Anyone, and i really do mean anyone, can run the SotM. It involves placing four images into a topic, creating a poll and then pasting a name into a premade signature. It's not exactly hard work. So unless the whole concept of the SotM was a complete ****, there's no reason to remove it. Especially if keeping other things due to the fact the community likes it is on your agenda.
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A distinct pattern, of removal of graphics orientated forums/groups/activities has presented itself over the years and so I have to come to the conclusion that you don't want it on your website anymore - it's useless to the community. That's fine, it's your site. But just remove it. Don't try and mask it with nonsense. You're not going to remove something such as, say, the submissions team, because it is in the general user's opinion they should offer some kind of advantage to the site - likes of which are yet to be seen. However, such teams as the events crew and the newspaper staff, activities such as the SKotM, and the various xbox live events, still exist because people like them - or, well, the people running them don't mind running them.

But of course, the SotM doesn't require a lot, does it. You can't deny it's an easy job, can you?
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Also; you forgot to say why the news was hidden away and how the two differ other than having the same voting method.
I appreciate your reply, Shane, but there's really no point if you're only going to reply to fragments.

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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
PostPosted: March 3rd, 2009, 2:10 pm 
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I wouldn't think it was removed out of laziness to run it but I would of liked it if it tayed because it's different from just the stow. It's a step up from just signature of the week winner. Like skiller of the year in the skotm. You also got a spot in the month post of the Informer.


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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
PostPosted: March 3rd, 2009, 2:12 pm 
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Another decision I was unaware of but I really wouldn't of objected had I known it was planned. Maybe Shane mentioned it to me and I merely wasn't paying attention. Probably that.

I don't really see why you're berating Shane or whoever else for being too 'lazy' to run SOTM. How did it require any effort at all? It was just a monthly poll that would have taken all of 5 minutes to post. I'm sure the decision to remove it was not made out of laziness. It is simply rather pointless now we have all the SOTWs as public votes. That's it.

But believe me, there is no graphics holocaust being undertaken. And I say that from the point of somebody who wishes there was and has pushed (unsuccessfully) for the removal of most of the graphical related **** over the years. The changes to make SOTW were to boost its popularity, not to dumb it down and kill it off. If you believe just because anyone can vote now it's 'dumbed down' then you simply need to drop your elitist attitude.

Your various fleeting references to 'the powers that be' trying to incinuate that certain people have a great amount of influence and can call the shots and make decisions regardless of how it would affect the community or site is just *******. Again, I speak from the perspective of someone who would make fleeting changes if I was the king pin. But I'm not and it's not done like that, there is no 'top dog'. When it comes to making any major decision the staff look at all possible solutions and ponder all possible outcomes and make the decision that we believe will best for the community and site.

Although at the end of the day the final call will always be Mike and Shanes they have never imposed their views or opinions on any decision making process and have always been able to look at the situation objectively and take the best action. That is why this community works. Regardless of how many people get ***** off that they can't have their own way every now and then.

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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
PostPosted: March 3rd, 2009, 2:18 pm 
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Anubis wrote:
Well done slimppu for winning SOTM.

Y ty.

People are going to be ***** now that I'm crowned to be the king of SOTM forever, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

Of course, since I'm fair and kind towards people and all that, I'd just love to give the fellow artists of RSBANDB another chance!

So please. It doesn't require any effort and who cares if it's public vote or not, it's still a different contest from SOTW.

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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
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Warren wrote:
I wouldn't think it was removed out of laziness to run it but I would of liked it if it tayed because it's different from just the stow. It's a step up from just signature of the week winner. Like skiller of the year in the skotm. You also got a spot in the month post of the Informer.


Hm..just you know, throwing it out there but the skotm yearly thing was pushed in to encourage people to keep trying to gain exp even if they was 100k behind the bloke above them, we found a lot of people gave up and just didn't try when they saw a big exp gap..it was to encourage them to keep going because;

1)They might surprise themselves and catch up.

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2)They might not win *that* time but there working towards a bigger goal.

Just saying there was a reason we brought that in at the time.

Not seeing the big deal really with the sotm though..it's just part of the reshuffling that it's been going through. I mean it was just picking a winner out of..winners. Anywho don't let it bother you, still got the sotw just hope it remains popular enough to keep it running. :P

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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
PostPosted: March 3rd, 2009, 2:55 pm 
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Yeah I know why the skoty was added but it is reasonable to have it anyways whether the competitions are super intense or not.

Not everything needs a higher purpose than what it appears to be continued/added.


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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
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Surely, similarly to the SkotY, the SotM served as an incentive to win the SotW? I know it was for me. It really is somewhat depressing, astounding almost, and a reflection on myself or otherwise, I'm the only one who feels strongly about this area of the community... :/

But whatever, remove whatever the **** you want. Who cares what anyone else thinks.

(Also, i love how 'laziness' is being shoved aside even though humus didn't get his final SOTM sig. :-s)

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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
PostPosted: March 4th, 2009, 4:21 pm 
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I am going to have to agree with Anubis here.
For me, winning Sotw was a goal for me, but the two times that I did win, it was exciting for me to see if my chances were any good or not for the SOTM (which they weren't, but it was still fun.)

Now that is gone, I frankly will be using sotw less. I actually made graphics for weeks that I didn't want to really do them, but now I'm just going to send in whatever I do at any time. (Not to mention the limitations of people with 0 wins theme atm)

It was quite a disappointment in my opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
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they wouldn't remove it, that would get everyone angry. Shane said so himself.


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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
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they wouldn't remove it, that would get everyone angry. Shane said so himself.

It already was removed. :-s


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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
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Warren wrote:
Stats1122 wrote:
they wouldn't remove it, that would get everyone angry. Shane said so himself.

It already was removed. :-s


Yea stats1122 joined yesterday, so he doesn't know what this is about.

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 Post subject: Re: SOTM
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Warren wrote:
Stats1122 wrote:
they wouldn't remove it, that would get everyone angry. Shane said so himself.

It already was removed. :-s


Fairly sure he meant SOTW not SOTM.

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