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PostPosted: March 3rd, 2007, 5:35 pm 
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Hello Fellow RSBANDB Members,

Some of you may have noticed that the Design Crew and The Design Crew Council is missing from the ranks at the bottom of the forum index. Today in an executive decision by Mike and I we have removed these two entities.

The reason behind this move was a leadership change in the Design Crew Council. Leadership changes are okay usually, but the way this one was carried out was not within the spirit of RSBANDB. By removing the Design Crew ranks, we want all of our members to feel that their artistic talents could help make RSBANDB a better fan site.

We're sorry that this had to happen but there was no other way to resolve the problem. The design crew was not essential to the functioning of RSBANDB, but the projects that they helped create were appreciated.

Thanks to all who participated and helped.

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Aw man, that's a shame..

We can still send in stat sigs to you, right? We were working on them.


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We have always been open to people submitting skill signatures at any time.

Please, we'd appreciate them.


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We have always been open to people submitting skill signatures at any time.

Please, we'd appreciate them.


I never realised that o.O

It's a pity really that this had to happen, but the DC has been redundant for too long and it was all for the better really.

Time to change my signature.


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Lmao, you deleted ALL the sotw trophies too? **** am I fixing thast for you after this.

Laters, I'll be willing to tell anyone why MQ was removed from the DCC later, since I really don't care if it's leaking info now.

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Lmao, you deleted ALL the sotw trophies too? **** am I fixing thast for you after this.

Laters, I'll be willing to tell anyone why MQ was removed from the DCC later, since I really don't care if it's leaking info now.


Signature of the week trophies are still intact. When it comes time for SOTW they can contact one of us and we'll grant access to that folder again.

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JUST wondering.

Was asking you to remove the Chat Admin Rank along with Brad and Creepy, just because it only housed Matt and Nate (because they obviously have a problem with them)

Was THAT in the spirit of rsbandb?

MQ was removed for legit reasons.

1) The chat admin incident.
2) The fact that she's tried to get Matt and Nate removed from the DCC multiple times.
3) Pure lack of support towards me or the rest of the DCC Members
4) She only worked when she felt like it, and mostly towards the end when it was apparent she could become the leader of the DCC.

She did not deserve to be in the DCC, she was a liability and she's controlling this forum with Brad and Creepy.

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Anubis wrote:
JUST wondering.

Was asking you to remove the Chat Admin Rank along with Brad and Creepy, just because it only housed Matt and Nate (because they obviously have a problem with them)

Was THAT in the spirit of rsbandb?

MQ was removed for legit reasons.

1) The chat admin incident.
2) The fact that she's tried to get Matt and Nate removed from the DCC multiple times.
3) Pure lack of support towards me or the rest of the DCC Members
4) She only worked when she felt like it, and mostly towards the end when it was apparent she could become the leader of the DCC.

She did not deserve to be in the DCC, she was a liability and she's controlling this forum with Brad and Creepy.


You had left the DCC, and Matt was as good as gone from it already with him resigning. MQ was moving forward with the DC, going to get something up and running for the crew to work on right away.

It has been months since a design crew site project was promised for the graphics crew, and the last site design did not involve the crew at all, although it did showcase some of the talents of the members. The site was produced by the DCC only. There was also a forum skin project handed to the DC, which is also only being worked on by the council.

I know it is hard to divide these kinds of projects up between members, and that is one of the reasons why the design crew never should have existed in the first place.

You have to admit, other than the odd signature project, and a few extras like wallpapers, and tutorials (which were all very nicely produced), the design crew did not have much to work on, and they were left wanting more when there is nothing to give them.

Shane and I allowed this crew to be created with the condition that Shane and I would have no part in this crew and that there would be adequate projects for the crew to work on. This however never really happened, and the amount of members have slowly died over time.

Everyone who was in the design crew was very good at what they did, and we very much appreciate the work they did, but the crew was just not really functioning with the lack of projects, and ideas for new projects were sparse.

One does not need to be in a "design crew" to contribute to the site, and this design crew rank was starting to become a joke because of the minimal appearance of the design crews work around the site. Shane and I do not have anything to give the DC to work on, it's not that we don't trust the DC, it's just that we have lots of stuff in the works already and we don't really have a need for graphics that much. The only graphics work we really need is the tedious work of cutting out backgrounds of images of Runescape items, npcs, and objects for guides, and that is not in the spirit of the design crew.

I would like to thank everyone who was a member of the design crew for their support and submissions to the site. Thanks for the skill signatures, SOTM/SOTM trophies, wallpapers, graphics tutorials, and rank images. I encourage you to continue your support to the site. If you have suggestions or comments for what the site needs or should be changed, use the RSBANDB Site Section forum, that's what it's for. Any submissions for site graphics such as skill signatures can also be posted there or directly PMed to Shane or I.


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PostPosted: March 4th, 2007, 6:12 am 
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You didn't need to quote my message as what you said had absolutely nothing to do with what I said, however I'll give you the courtesy of replying to yours.

I came back because Nate informed me what MQ +Crew had done, I was disgusted and wanted to stop it. Perhaps it's not the right reasons for coming back but I did not think "people like that" were deserving of any rank - they manipulate others and further themselves through pushing others down.

Site Design - Nate's Code is Done, Kronic was supposed to create the layout.
Forum Skin - The DC wasn't allowed to touch this. Matt was doing it.

Like I've said before, the Design Crew would have had a lot more to work on other than time-wasting tasks (which were mainly aimed at making the Design Crew more active and fun for members), if we were allowed to modify images on the forums. But we're still waiting for phpbb3 and the forums are still heavily modded - so Shane always declined my/our requests. Matt is/was working on the skin, so the DC was again not allowed to touch it.

Shane (and You, if you were any part of the decision to refuse all of our more "visible" requests) restricted the Design Crew far too much, and because of that the Design Crew was considered redundant. I for one tried my best, and considering the lack of support from above we were destined to fail from the begining. If it's anyone's fault we had nothing to work on it's You and Shane.

The rest of what you've said I agree with, I am not fighting for the return of the Design Crew cause to be honest, all I can do it throw remedial tasks in the DC forums and hope the members are happy with doing them.

I'm want the truth, I tried my hardest to pull the DC out of **** and I was always given crap back. What's the truth. Who REALLY wanted the DC removed. Who's REALLY responsible for this betrayal? Right here. In front of everyone. I have seen a confirmation that MQ, Creepy and Brad have manipulated Shane's decisions before. I've been the best I can for this cause, I expect some gratitude. >.>

( If I've been misled again, then someone's going to get an angry IM. :@ )

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Sorry for the quote, just a habit when i'm in a discussion with someone because people have gone back and editted their post after I post making me look like an *** in the past. But yes, sorry I did not reply to your comments properly.

Personally, I've always wanted the design crew gone, it never really had a purpose other that to make this community more graphics oriented. This site however is not a graphics site, it is a community for the discussion of runescape. I did not care what the design crew was doing as long as I was not involved.

When i see that there is problems with leadership and sudden changes in leadership, and decisions I see that as an oppurtunity to remove a crew that to me serves no purpose. The same could be accomplished without a more or less organized crew. When there is no crew, there is no expectations of projects and people will help when they want to instead of being forced to do something to keep a rank that basically has no meaning.

The design crew was removed by mine, and Shane's decision, although you and matt don't seem to mind that it's gone all that much. In fact you seem more relieved than you do angry or disappointed. MQ didn't seem to care what happened to it, and I never talked to Nate, but I believe Shane did.

I'm very grateful for the hard work you guys put into managing it, but as I said the lack of original projects, and the lack of work (none, basically) that SHane and I have for the DC to work on for the site is the main reason for our removal of it.


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Okay.. fair comments. *calms down now I know what's happened*

One problem.. We need a new SOTW trophy and that was my next task for the DC. :\


And yeah, I am more relieved to get rid of the DC, but when I saw it gone after what information had been given to me over the past few days, I hope you can understand my reaction.

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Sorry for the confusion, I know it was a kind of spur of the moment kind of thing.. we maybe should have discussed it a bit more first. I kind of wanted to just get rid of it before anyone could change my mind again though, and I hope people will agree with the decision...


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i see the logic behind this decision, and to be honest was a bit annoyed doing tasks that had no meaning and no point. so i'm sorta glad its gone.

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Anubis wrote:
JUST wondering.

Was asking you to remove the Chat Admin Rank along with Brad and Creepy, just because it only housed Matt and Nate (because they obviously have a problem with them)

Was THAT in the spirit of rsbandb?

MQ was removed for legit reasons.

1) The chat admin incident.
2) The fact that she's tried to get Matt and Nate removed from the DCC multiple times.
3) Pure lack of support towards me or the rest of the DCC Members
4) She only worked when she felt like it, and mostly towards the end when it was apparent she could become the leader of the DCC.

She did not deserve to be in the DCC, she was a liability and she's controlling this forum with Brad and Creepy.


Lets look at those points for a second shall we?

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1) The chat admin incident.


I take it you mean the rank change, woopey do. It was needed, it was done for a reason and i fail to see how the chat room should be affecting the DC and it's decisions in anyway. :roll: Also, if it was down to me there wouldn't be a chat admin rank at all, it's not needed.

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2) The fact that she's tried to get Matt and Nate removed from the DCC multiple times.


So? I've yet to see -any- proof of this but the reasons I've heard for her doing it are legit and i would have done the same. People have tried to have me removed from Mod, i don't go out and ban them for it.

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3) Pure lack of support towards me or the rest of the DCC Members


From what i heard and saw, none of you supported each other.

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4) She only worked when she felt like it, and mostly towards the end when it was apparent she could become the leader of the DCC.


Shes living in a foreign country, trying to deal with uni and being away from friends and family, i think she had a bit more on than you guys and she STILL seemed to get a lot done here and to tell me she only works when she feels like it, when i can guarantee every single admin and moderator will tell you otherwise because we see how much work she does moderating is just rubbish.

And if that really was a good reason to kick someone then the majority of the DCC would have been kicked long ago, cause there just as bad.

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I have no reason to speak or listen to anyone like you. Your actions along with MQs were disgusting. I do not enjoy being played by anyone let alone those who I considered my friends. I took back what I gave.

I have already discussed this enough. Although I am quite willing to re-iterate exactly what I think of you, mushroom queen and brad, this isn't the place.

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