skill descrimination... why?

Bellicosity · Runite~Mon Jul 07, 2007 3:04 pm.

in the last few days i've come to see a lot of picking and choosing when it comes to combat... everyone always insists on having really low defense and really low prayer. in some cases, really low magic or ranged etc... in my opinion, i think its being overly critical of the games combat system, and is essentially just ruining the game for the players who want to raise their stats as they chose and still stand a chance...

and what really bugs me, as im a dueler, not a staker or pker, but a dueler, is how these players who, just because they cannot pray good spells or wear good armour, dont want me to pray or wear armour... it is incredibly childish really...

i see it as kids in an eating contest... one kid neglects to brush his teeth, and gets painful cavities and toothaches etc... then because he has difficulty eating, he demands that everyone else be supplied with less food so he can eat more and win the contest. so next tiem around, everybody gets horrible tooth decay so they can eat less and win easy. does that seem fair to you? then why in runescape?

its not like im saying everyone should get 99 defense and prayer, (even though i am a tank...) but is there any way to put an end to the madness? in the current metagame, its almost impossible to build a standard character and win out over a pure of your level under their conditions... so why, if everyone hates fighting them so much, do they go on to build their own 1 def 1 prayer accounts and continue the cycle? yeah, i've heard the phrase if you can't beat them, join them, but this is rediculous...

oh, and on a side note, who agrees with me that jagex should remove the no prayer option from the combat limitations? it'd be a kick in the face if all the 1 prayers had to hit thier 30% more str through the 40% blocking of protect from melee...

Adbot · **Posted:** May 14th, 2007, 4:04 pm

Anubis · **Posted:** May 14th, 2007, 4:18 pm

Personally, I can't stand PvP in RS because it's so unbalanced.
I have high defence and I have high prayer, they come in useful for what I'm good at; Slayer and PvE Combat. The only times I would ever feel the need to complain is when you get a lv95 ice barrager pking at the abyss, which brings the whole unbalanced thing to a new level.

Warren · **Posted:** May 14th, 2007, 4:47 pm

I prefer defence higher or all equal.

But in my opinion, if you don't like the fact that the pures are "0wn4g3@@@" don't fight them. People can do what they want, and if they want to be ripped apart and not able to pray, I don't care.

If its just a duel without stakes, they really shouldn't care if you pray or wear armor.

Kenny · **Posted:** May 14th, 2007, 11:39 pm

I would like my prayer higher but at the moment I can't afford to get my prayer up as high as my defence but I say defence as high as you can just to hack off pures :kite:

best wishes
bladekenny94

whitedragon · **Posted:** May 15th, 2007, 5:26 am

Why not start a clan of defense and prayer lovers and show them that prayer and defense is usefull.

Pat · **Posted:** May 15th, 2007, 7:35 am

Tbh if you put a 100+ clan with like 100 people against a pure clan with like 90+ str/range with like 100 people, the 100+ clan would win f2p or p2p.

I wouldn't call it skill "discrimination" but rather building up to your potential. Think about the tank you're using. You're probably going to turn pots and food off. Is that not the same as turning prayer off?

Personally I don't like your bashing of pures because they turn of prayer. Prayer increases combat, and lowers their abilities at that level.

Adbot · **Posted:** May 15th, 2007, 7:35 am

The Killer · **Posted:** May 15th, 2007, 10:53 am

Also prayer lets cheaters turn on protection prayers.

No skill discrimination really, it's just knowing the most optimal choice among many.

ryan1 · **Posted:** May 15th, 2007, 2:15 pm

I agree with you, but if they will fight only under their conditions, then don't fight them. I actually love it when I am fighting people and they call me a "def noob" because they can't hit me :lol:

. I prefer a balanced approach, because I think that all the skills are important in some way.

whitedragon · **Posted:** May 15th, 2007, 2:35 pm

Kill3rz wrote:

Also prayer lets cheaters turn on protection prayers.

No skill discrimination really, it's just knowing the most optimal choice among many.

If its part of the game, then how exactly is it cheating?

Bellicosity · Runite~Mon Jul 07, 2007 3:04 pm.

Kill3rz wrote:

Also prayer lets cheaters turn on protection prayers.

No skill discrimination really, it's just knowing the most optimal choice among many.

thats the kind of thing im talking about!!! i don't mean to pick on killerz, but people seem to think of praying and wearing armour as cheap, or cheating, or noobish... i don't get that.

thorny wrote:

Tbh if you put a 100+ clan with like 100 people against a pure clan with like 90+ str/range with like 100 people, the 100+ clan would win f2p or p2p.

I wouldn't call it skill "discrimination" but rather building up to your potential. Think about the tank you're using. You're probably going to turn pots and food off. Is that not the same as turning prayer off?

Personally I don't like your bashing of pures because they turn of prayer. Prayer increases combat, and lowers their abilities at that level.

for one, yes, the 100+ clan would win, but thats because they are of a higher combat level. im talking same level pures,or close to your level... within, maybe, 8 combat levels of a normal players. if you put a clan of level 70 melee pures and level 70 balanced users in clans, the only way the normal players stand a chance is with armour and prayer.

if they want to have potions, thats fine, as long as i can bring my own potions. and food, same deal. but turning prayer and armour off IS NOT THE SAME as turning food and potions off. the differences in these cases is that regardless of your combat skills, anyone can still use the same potions and food, but not all players can hit the same, wield the same weapons, wear the same armour, and use the same prayers... oh, and if you think im bashing,

it really comes down to being fair. what if all of the sudden all the players that actually have defense and prayer started fighting without allowing weapons or potions, but allowing armour and prayer? all the pures wouldnt' feel so happy now would they? and if you think that isn't fair, then now you know how i feel when pures abuse tanks...

so before you talk about me bashing on pures, think about how many thousands of pures abuse all the rest of the players just for not following suit.