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PostPosted: September 28th, 2006, 9:16 pm 
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Its natural human instinct to feed off animals it the way of life one has die for one to live. I know it looks wrong and I agree they can do it a much nicer way than that!

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I prefer this video: http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp ... speed=_med

Its impossible to discuss a topic like animal cruelty with 12 year olds and people with the brain power of a wet sock. Its NOT ok to do this to animals, and yea, I am a vegetarian so I do practice what I preach.

I cant believe even after seeing that you can all say that its alright just because you like the taste of the animal. Pathetic, really.


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All you people who are vegetarians, need to learn a little something called "the food chain"

Humans eat meat, don't want to eat meat, fine. Don't shove it in everybody else faces and act like your some sort of superior being.

I like meat, I don't care if animals suffer for it, they were bred to die, so really, I don't care. The sooner the peta morons realise that, the better.

And it's spelt "Hungry" ...

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PostPosted: September 29th, 2006, 7:07 am 
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NOLANLOLZ wrote:
Its natural human instinct to feed off animals it the way of life one has die for one to live. I know it looks wrong and I agree they can do it a much nicer way than that!


Let's think about something. Some animals have sharp teeth. They eat meat. Others have flat teeth. They eat grass and stuff like that. Now... Are our teeth flat or sharp?


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Its natural human instinct to feed off animals it the way of life one has die for one to live. I know it looks wrong and I agree they can do it a much nicer way than that!


Let's think about something. Some animals have sharp teeth. They eat meat. Others have flat teeth. They eat grass and stuff like that. Now... Are our teeth flat or sharp?


That question is flawed - herbivores have sharp front teeth to cut up grass, which they then chew with their flat teeth.

We have flat molars, and sharp incisors and canines.

Incisors are found also in herbivores, and are designed to cut through stuff, like meat, grass, anything. Molars are designed for chewing, mushing food up.

The canines are not found in herbivores, as they are designed to rip and puncture flesh rather than cut.

However, the human canine is very undeveloped. If you look at a dog's canine teeth, they are nearly twice the length of the rest of their teeth, whereas human canines are about the same length.

However, the human digestion system is entirely capable of digesting meat, whereas in Herbivores it is not properly developed to do so.

Overall, this might suggest that we have the capability to eat meat, but should not eat as much as we do, and should eat soft vegetables and fruit a lot more than we do.

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All you people who are vegetarians, need to learn a little something called "the food chain"


They do, Brad, and actually, they follow the food chain in a much more efficient way than you do.

Example (not using actual figures):

1 Cow will feed one person for 3 months. This cow has to be 5 years old before it can be eaten, or it will be too small. Said cow requires 1kg of vegetables per week to stay alive. Therefore, it takes 250kg of vegetables to feed one person for three months.

Say one person requires 1kg of vegetables per week to stay alive. To stay alive for 3 months, this person requires 12kg of vegetables.

As you can see, the vegetarian option is far more efficient that the meat-eating option. In this example, the vegetarian is using the food chain to be more than 20 times more efficient than the meat-eater.

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Humans eat meat, don't want to eat meat, fine. Don't shove it in everybody else faces and act like your some sort of superior being.


I agree with this, however. Vegetarians often do act like they are morally superior to other people a lot of the time, which can get annoying.

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I eat meat, because i like eating meat. It tastes nice. I do, however, buy free-range eggs and chicken. I disagree severely with battery farming; but if a chicken is allowed to roam free and do as it pleases until slaughter-day comes, then thats fine with me.

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I eat meat, because i like eating meat. It tastes nice. I do, however, buy free-range eggs and chicken. I disagree severely with battery farming; but if a chicken is allowed to roam free and do as it pleases until slaughter-day comes, then thats fine with me.


It may interest you to know that free-range animals are often treated more unfairly than those animals that are not said, "free range". There are no governing laws that dictate how these animals are to be disposed of once they can no longer provide the resource they are bred for. In chickens cases, for example, they are not allowed to run around and be free until they die, they are still kept in cages, and still mistreated only the people who market free range products dont want you to know this. Once the chickens can no longer produce eggs theyre dumped in bins, to die or be cut up for meat, and often suffocate under each others weight and from lack of oxygen. There are products you can buy that taste like meat, but arent meat. You should think about getting some.

As far as not shoving vegetarianism in peoples faces, I believe if you make a topic about it or bring it up in conversation, youre practically asking for it.


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Hey Crysala do you think there where vegetarians when we where first on this planet? I highly doubt it, why would you switch to eating just vegatables? Vegatables were once a living organism at one point in there life? Theres only few things that aren't living. Those would be things such as light from the sun. You were born to eat meat, and your parents most likely fed you meat when you where younger. So why stop now?


As far as vegetarianism goes I am totaly against it.

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Hey Crysala do you think there where vegetarians when we where first on this planet? I highly doubt it, why would you switch to eating just vegatables? Vegatables were once a living organism at one point in there life? Theres only few things that aren't living. Those would be things such as light from the sun. You were born to eat meat, and your parents most likely fed you meat when you where younger. So why stop now?


As far as vegetarianism goes I am totaly against it.

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People didnt eat just vegetables when we first evolved, and vegetarians now dont either. We dont ONLY eat vegetables. Plants were once living, sure, but contrary to eating animals they cant feel. Like I said before, they dont have a central nervous system. So when we chop them up they dont feet anything. Unlike animals. I wasnt "born to eat meat", I was born to live and reproduce then die, and I can do that just fine without eating flesh. Sure, I ate meat when I was young, but unlike then I now have the ability to see its cruel and I can now make the choice not to eat meat if I want to.


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There are products you can buy that taste like meat, but arent meat. You should think about getting some.


I have tried Quorn burgers - they're supposed to taste like meat, but i could tell the difference.

I have no idea whether i will turn veggie, but i doubt it. I like chicken and beef and prawns and stuff like that too much. I have eaten vegetarian food, and a lot of the time it was very nice, but i dont know whether i could live without meat for long.

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Lol. I'm thinking you guys missed something.

The animals we eat are dead anyway, does it really matter how they lived? Are you -not- going to eat a peice of chicken because it died while crying, and then go off and eat another peice of chicken cause it was having the greatest time of its life and then got shot? No. Meat is meat.

Humans aren't supposed to be vegetarians, we -need- the protein from meat to survive. if you want to eat vegetables for the rest of your life, fine, but if you're stupid enough to say that eating meat is murder, and pulling a tomato off it's vines isn't - then I hope you choke on those protein pills you'll be taking in a few years time.

I'd love to say I didn't mean to offend anyone, but actually, I did. XD

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Just to let you know, the Vege part in vegetarian doesent mean vegtible, and just caz me and Crysala are vegetarains doesent mean all we ever eat is vegtibles...........

And thxs guy for not turning this into a flame war :D

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Lol. I'm thinking you guys missed something.

The animals we eat are dead anyway, does it really matter how they lived? Are you -not- going to eat a peice of chicken because it died while crying, and then go off and eat another peice of chicken cause it was having the greatest time of its life and then got shot? No. Meat is meat.

Humans aren't supposed to be vegetarians, we -need- the protein from meat to survive. if you want to eat vegetables for the rest of your life, fine, but if you're stupid enough to say that eating meat is murder, and pulling a tomato off it's vines isn't - then I hope you choke on those protein pills you'll be taking in a few years time.

I'd love to say I didn't mean to offend anyone, but actually, I did. XD


I'd like to add that plants can feel :)

Otherwise, how could a venus fly trap know when something is inside it, so it can close it's jaws and devour the insects inside? :)

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That's horrible! Im not animal activist, but still I feel so sorry for those animals! :cry: Those terrible killers should be put to cage and kill one by one! Then they would learn how animals feel! :x

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Anubis wrote:
Humans aren't supposed to be vegetarians, we -need- the protein from meat to survive.


Yet another flawed argument. Humans need protein to survive, but it doesnt really matter where it comes from. If you eat beans and eggs, you can get protein that you would normally get in meat. If you eat flax seeds and soya, you can get Omega-3 that you would normally get in oily fish.

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MasterOfTheVortex wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Humans aren't supposed to be vegetarians, we -need- the protein from meat to survive.


Yet another flawed argument. Humans need protein to survive, but it doesnt really matter where it comes from. If you eat beans and eggs, you can get protein that you would normally get in meat. If you eat flax seeds and soya, you can get Omega-3 that you would normally get in oily fish.


Wow, you know a lot :D
yep, he is right = )

I get my protine from bread, potatoes, pizza, almost eveything has it in to .

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