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PostPosted: August 5th, 2012, 4:23 pm 
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Everybody knows about this topic that has been flowing for many days now. The thing is, the owner of Chick-Fil-A is completely against homosexual marriage and actually donates to causes that fights against it.

"Company President Dan Cathy clarified Chick-fil-A's views of homosexual Americans, shedding light on its multimillion dollar donations to groups that actively seek to influence government leaders and the public to take away rights from homosexual individuals. He exercised his freedom of speech, and we're glad he did. But his supporters do not want us and millions of fair-minded Americans to exercise ours."

Here's the link to read more: http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/st ... ay-rights/56811512/1

How do you think this will affect the company? Will it destroy it? Is the pro-gay community so advanced that the company might be in danger?

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How do you think this will affect the company? Will it destroy it? Is the pro-gay community so advanced that the company might be in danger?


As evident by the August 1 boycott day, it won't. People are more interested in the chicken provided than what the management thinks. Also it should be noted that the founders said that they would never turn anyone away or kick them out of one of their establishments.

Overall companies are like people. They can think and do what they want. The difference being that they have to worry about their bottom line, people only need to worry about where the money is going. If they did see sales go down I'm sure they'd reverse their stance in order to make their business stay afloat.

Finally and perhaps the most important, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What some view as questionable moral issues others don't. Personally I think the whole issue was blown out of proportion in mainstream media.

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You know I've never really heard of this company until this issue risen. I respect most peoples opinions, (though I would always argue if they didn't have a supporting background to their statement), but what I don't respect is that they fight against a happiness that can probably never be proven to have moral degradation. They are trying to take away rights that would have absolutely NO harm to our nation. In terms of morality, people need to read the bible first if that's what takes them aback.

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Here is my opinion on it. I am not sure why companies even have to get involved in things like this. Companies should provide a product for the consumers and I think they should stick to that. Kraft getting invoved with Gay-Marrage support and CFA getting involved in "family values" is just *******. They should just stick to what they do. I am not too sure why they do this.

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Ummm, chick-fil-a is a company based in the southern USA. By far, the vast majority of people in that part of the country support traditional marriage. The left-wing liberal media love portraying the complete untruth that the majority of people support *** marriage. Some interesting links to read are here:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... s_world_sales_record
http://action.afa.net/email/online.aspx ... il&utm_campaign=1903
What you don't want to do is mix politics/social issues and business. Believe me folks, the Christian community will not be silenced and will not be labelled bigots because of their beliefs. They will support businesses that are in keeping with their moral values, and as shown, will withdraw their support from companies that do not. I support Chick-fil-a as a business, because of their values, and because they are willing to stand up for the truth. Companies like J.C. Penny and soon, Target will be a thing of the past because of their lack of wisdom within their marketing department.

Conservative, yes. You betcha. Don't try and get me into a debate on this further... this is not the place.

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but in the end, his opinion would have no weight in the government. you do believe he will have any real impact on what law makers will decide?

let him believe what he wants, we have more than enough stubborn people believe only 1 way and on stupid little issues, that will not affet 99.95% of the population.

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I don't think that people should have the right to force their religious beliefs on others, but people certainly have the right to say what they think. I'm not sure why people are making a big deal out of it.

As a Chick-fil-a employee, it's been (too) good for business. We actually ran out of every single item in the store on Wednesday and had to close early. One of the other stores near us had to close a little after lunchtime. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given that I live in the south.

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In the long run I don't think it will affect the company too much, some people might stop going there or go there more often, but in the end it's just another fast food restaurant.


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Finally and perhaps the most important, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What some view as questionable moral issues others don't. Personally I think the whole issue was blown out of proportion in mainstream media.

I agree with this, and I am actually surprised because if I remember correctly they print Bible verses (or something of the sort, correct me please if I'm wrong) somewhere on the soft drink cups, so this stance shouldn't have come as a big surprise to anyone.


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but what I don't respect is that they fight against a happiness that can probably never be proven to have moral degradation. They are trying to take away rights that would have absolutely NO harm to our nation.

What if find interesting here is how you used the word "right" (I could start a whole new topic on this if you like :P). If something is a (human/American) "right" then why should it be voted on? I would make the argument that rights shouldn't be voted on, rather they should be self-evident.


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Here is my opinion on it. I am not sure why companies even have to get involved in things like this. They should just stick to what they do. I am not too sure why they do this.

Companies are run by people so that kind of stuff does come out sometimes. I do agree though that these radical public statements, not even about *** marriage are a rather bad business move. (I.e. various EA employees were interviewed the other month and they bashed Steam for running their ever popular sales).


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Ummm, chick-fil-a is a company based in the southern USA. By far, the vast majority of people in that part of the country support traditional marriage. The left-wing liberal media love portraying the complete untruth that the majority of people support *** marriage. Some interesting links to read are here:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... s_world_sales_record
http://action.afa.net/email/online.aspx ... il&utm_campaign=1903
What you don't want to do is mix politics/social issues and business. Believe me folks, the Christian community will not be silenced and will not be labelled bigots because of their beliefs. They will support businesses that are in keeping with their moral values, and as shown, will withdraw their support from companies that do not. I support Chick-fil-a as a business, because of their values, and because they are willing to stand up for the truth. Companies like J.C. Penny and soon, Target will be a thing of the past because of their lack of wisdom within their marketing department.

Conservative, yes. You betcha. Don't try and get me into a debate on this further... this is not the place.

I found that AFA article and your shots at JC Penny and Target more offensive than anything else. Sure the liberal media presses there agenda and the southern Christian community doesn't like being called bigots, but the right wing media does the same thing with their agenda and these people are being called bigots because they are. But yes you certainly don't want to mix politics/social issues and business as not much good comes of it for the most part.


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As a Chick-fil-a employee, it's been (too) good for business. We actually ran out of every single item in the store on Wednesday and had to close early. One of the other stores near us had to close a little after lunchtime. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given that I live in the south.

Question: What (if anything) have customers said to you at the restaurant regarding this issue?

The company did make this statement:
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Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena.


But all in all that doesn't really mean anything except that guy should have never opened his mouth and said what he did in the first place.

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It's hard for me to throw rocks at Chick-Fli-A, i fully support *** marriage because it's not my place to tell you want to do in your life. After saying that i fully support his right to free speech and his right to guide his company in any direction he wishes to support. At the end of the day i don't support his biblical beliefs in life but i will always support his 1st Amendment right.

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As a Chick-fil-a employee, it's been (too) good for business. We actually ran out of every single item in the store on Wednesday and had to close early. One of the other stores near us had to close a little after lunchtime. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given that I live in the south.

Question: What (if anything) have customers said to you at the restaurant regarding this issue?


I can't really comment too well since I've been working in the kitchen lately, but on Wednesday there was a lot of "Oh I wish I'd come here more often" and "We're really glad you support that." Basically what you'd expect. I didn't work on Friday so I didn't see any of the protest.

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It's hard for me to throw rocks at Chick-Fli-A, i fully support *** marriage because it's not my place to tell you want to do in your life. After saying that i fully support his right to free speech and his right to guide his company in any direction he wishes to support. At the end of the day i don't support his biblical beliefs in life but i will always support his 1st Amendment right.


Exactly. I don't care what people say, it's what they do that affects us. If they are trying to change laws implying that there is a problem when there really isn't, it is degrading the society and making people more vulnerable to hate acts. A lot of people are missing the point. They are saying, "oh, they are practicing their constitutional rights." Yes that may be true but you need to realize they are taking action with what they are saying. People need to know this company donates millions of dollars to anti-gay organizations. To the educated people that know of "biblical moral rights", they are ferociously calling these anti-gay groups hypocrites because they are taking their knowledge from bits and pieces of the message while they miss the big picture. This completely degrades the image of anti-gay groups because they look like complete idiots babbling about how they know homosexuality is a sin or whatever.

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Jason wrote:
I found that AFA article and your shots at JC Penny and Target more offensive than anything else. Sure the liberal media presses there agenda and the southern Christian community doesn't like being called bigots, but the right wing media does the same thing with their agenda and these people are being called bigots because they are. But yes you certainly don't want to mix politics/social issues and business as not much good comes of it for the most part.

But all in all that doesn't really mean anything except that guy should have never opened his mouth and said what he did in the first place.


The head of Chik-fil-a was asked directly what his stance was on the issue. He simply replied honestly. He actually did not volunteer his viewpoint outright without being asked, and is far from being an "activist". What is wrong with the whole situation is when politicians like the Mayor of Chicago, upon hearing of this man's personal opinion, attempt to put in place measures to prevent his business from establishing itself in Chicago, simply because the Mayor doesn't agree with his opinion on the matter. All I want to point out is that this type of behaviour is in fact even more discriminatory and bigotted (not to mention entirely against the law) than someone simply voicing their opinion when asked about it.

The other point I wanted to make is that the general public, and their buying power, is one of the key issues that marketing professionals must pay attention to. When a business attempts to attract customers they should try and attract the majority of customers. In North America, the vast majority of the populus is Christian. And, yes, some of these Christians are very adamant about upholding their values. Nevertheless, they do in fact have the buying power and if you do read about the opinions from both sides, you will see that the Conservative right is taking a stance which is having a real financial effect on businesses.

My input into this issue is not to offend at all. It is just to bring to light the reality that there are two sides of the issue on everything and you cannot discount the opinions of others. Social issues and politics should be kept out of business, yes. However, these days there seems to be such a hard push to force everyone to advocate for something that some may not agree with, that those types of issues do become entangled in everyday business. We do need to pay attention to what matters to people. Those are your customers.

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Just want to start by saying my post is not aimed towards anyone specifically.

Regarding donating to anti-gay organizations: If you don't want people to donate to anti-gay organizations then stop people from donating to pro-gay organizations. Remember, the ball rolls both ways.

I've heard the word 'Bigot' alot lately, but it's mostly been used out of context. Here's the definition from dictionary.com
big·ot [big-uht]
noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.


Now, granted, there are some Christians who are intolerant of anything they don't believe in, but not all.
Who saw/heard/read about what happened on Friday? That was bigotry. They couldn't tolerate the CEO's differing creed, belief, or opinion so they obnoxiously protested at lots of Chick-fil-a's. Talk about bigots.
Now I know you're thinking I'm throwing the stones by using the word 'obnoxious'. Well here's the definition:
ob·nox·ious [uhb-nok-shuhs]
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1. highly objectionable or offensive; odious: obnoxious behavior.
2. annoying or objectionable due to being a showoff or attracting undue attention to oneself: an obnoxious little brat.
3. Archaic . exposed or liable to harm, evil, or anything objectionable.
4. Obsolete . liable to punishment or censure; reprehensible.

Now while it could be argued whether or not what they did was offensive, it was certainly objectionable. Going into a business for the sole purpose of making out and making a public display with no intention of purchasing any of the business's services. Was it annoying? I bet the honest patrons trying to get lunched were annoyed just because of the large amount of people, whether or not they knew why they were there. Were they liable to punishment? Maybe. One of my friends brought up the idea that a patron might have been able to call the police on the protest for indecency in public or loitering.

Going back to Bigotry for a moment, there are quite a few neutral people that are bigots toward either or both sides.

Will this whole media wah-loo affect CFA? If so only positively. There were 55 times as many people attending the Appreciation Day than there was attending the protest. 55. ~11,000 for the protest versus over 600,000 for the Appreciation Day. The media gave CFA millions in free advertising. What better way to advertise an already popular eating establishment than to broadcast it on national television. Nightly news that receives millions of viewers. Most people will be led my their stomach over most other things. Especially when those other things don't really affect them or the place they're eating at. The CEO and the company in general has certain values, those values do not prevent them from serving anyone. Would you stop eating at McDonald's if they started supporting Anti-Gay? Nah, you wouldn't. Would you stop playing Steam games if they supported anti-gay? Nah, you wouldn't. So they support anti-gay, how the HECK does that affect you and the games from them you play? It doesn't, so you have no reason to boycott them.

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but in the end, his opinion would have no weight in the government. you do believe he will have any real impact on what law makers will decide?

That's kinda the whole thing overlooked by the world in this: He never said he wanted his opinion to change the world. If he did, he would be much more active politically.

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If they did see sales go down I'm sure they'd reverse their stance in order to make their business stay afloat.

I don't think so. I certainly hope not. It's foolish to let your ideals and beliefs be driven by money or status, no matter who you are. ("Give me your wife(or significant other, if you prefer) or I'll foreclose on your house/take your car/destroy your business." Okay have her. HECK NO! I'd rather live on the streets with my wife than let you do anything to her.)

Y'all may or may not know: That I am a Christian and that I do not support Gays/********. Why am I a Christian? Because Intelligent design makes more sense to me than random chance(that's a different topic though). Why do I not support ***/Lesbians? Well for starters I'd like the human race to survive. Male-Male or Female-Female are Incapable of reproducing. In layman's terms, you can't have kids. After generations (well, about 100 -150 years) the world would be completely devoid of human life as we humans only live about 70-90 years and if we're all ***/******** we never interact with the other gender so we never have babies, thus there's never any new humans to grow up. That'll slim the population pretty dang fast. Thankfully I believe there are still some parts of the world untouched by anything due to being unknown of. They still follow the basic reproductive course and so would continue to even after the 'modern' world has killed itself.

Wow, that was exaggerated, tweren't it? Umm, NO. All the pro-gays/lesbians I've seen seem to be intolerant of 'straight' people. I.E. they want everyone to be as them. Well it doesn't take a scientist to tell you that two creatures of the same gender can't reproduce.

If just part of the population is ***/********, well I guess they can choose to live together and not have kids but they're losing out on a large portion of the joys of life.

That's my gist on the topic. Hate me if you want, just remember the meaning of 'Bigot'.

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Uncle Dano wrote:
is far from being an "activist".

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He never said he wanted his opinion to change the world. If he did, he would be much more active politically.

I wouldn't call multi-million dollar donations to anti-gay rights organizations inactivity though.

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I wouldn't call multi-million dollar donations to anti-gay rights organizations inactivity though.


A donation to a pro traditional family or pro Christian organization equates to a donation to an anti-gay rights organization? Really?!? That's what all Christians and pro traditional family supporters are equal to nowadays? Christian organizations are Christian organizations... not anti-gay rights organizations. If the organization is solely aimed at attacking *** rights then you're right, but that's not the sole purpose of Christian, traditional marriage supporting organizations. A promotion of one ideal cannot be viewed exclusively as only an outright attack on other ideals.

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