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 Post subject: Bush says Iraq war was worth it...
PostPosted: March 18th, 2008, 10:00 pm 
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WASHINGTON - President Bush says he has no doubts about launching the unpopular war in Iraq despite the "high cost in lives and treasure," arguing that retreat now would embolden Iran and provide al-Qaida with money for weapons of mass destruction to attack the United States.
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Bush is to mark the fifth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq on Wednesday with a speech at the Pentagon. Excerpts of his address were released Tuesday night by the White House.

At least 3,990 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the war in 2003. It has cost taxpayers about $500 billion and estimates of the final tab run far higher. Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph E. Stiglizt and Harvard University public finance expert Linda Bilmes have estimated the eventual cost at $3 trillion when all the expenses, including long-term care for veterans, are calculated.

Democrats offered a different view from Bush's.

"On this grim milestone, it is worth remembering how we got into this situation, and thinking about how best we can get out," said Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich. "The tasks that remain in Iraq — to bring an end to sectarian conflict, to devise a way to share political power, and to create a functioning government that is capable of providing for the needs of the Iraqi people are tasks that only the Iraqis can complete."

In his remarks, Bush repeated his oft-stated determination to prosecute the war into the unforeseen future.

"The successes we are seeing in Iraq are undeniable, yet some in Washington still call for retreat," the president said. "War critics can no longer credibly argue that we are losing in Iraq, so now they argue the war costs too much. In recent months, we have heard exaggerated estimates of the costs of this war.

"No one would argue that this war has not come at a high cost in lives and treasure, but those costs are necessary when we consider the cost of a strategic victory for our enemies in Iraq," Bush said.

Bush has successfully defied efforts by the Democratic-led Congress to force troop withdrawals or set deadlines for pullouts. It is widely believed he will endorse a recommendation from Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, for no additional troop reductions, beyond those already planned, until at least September.

The U.S. now has about 158,000 troops in Iraq. That number is expected to drop to 140,000 by summer in drawdowns meant to erase all but about 8,000 troops from last year's buildup.

"If we were to allow our enemies to prevail in Iraq, the violence that is now declining would accelerate and Iraq could descend into chaos," Bush said. "Al-Qaida would regain its lost sanctuaries and establish new ones fomenting violence and terror that could spread beyond Iraq's borders, with serious consequences to the world economy.

"Out of such chaos in Iraq, the terrorist movement could emerge emboldened with new recruits ... new resources ... and an even greater determination to dominate the region and harm America," Bush said in his remarks. "An emboldened al-Qaida with access to Iraq's oil resources could pursue its ambitions to acquire weapons of mass destruction to attack America and other free nations. Iran could be emboldened as well with a renewed determination to develop nuclear weapons and impose its brand of hegemony across the broader Middle East. And our enemies would see an American failure in Iraq as evidence of weakness and lack of resolve."

Looking back, Bush said, "Five years into this battle, there is an understandable debate over whether the war was worth fighting ... whether the fight is worth winning ... and whether we can win it. The answers are clear to me: Removing Saddam Hussein from power was the right decision and this is a fight America can and must win."

Bush said the past five years have brought "moments of triumph and moments of tragedy," from free elections in Iraq to acts of brutality and violence.

"The terrorists who murder the innocent in the streets of Baghdad want to murder the innocent in the streets of American cities. Defeating this enemy in Iraq will make it less likely we will face this enemy here at home," Bush said.

Bush said anew that the war was faltering a little more than a year ago, prompting him in January 2007 to order a big troop buildup known as the "surge."

"The surge has done more than turn the situation in Iraq around; it has opened the door to a major strategic victory in the broader war on terror," he said.

"In Iraq, we are witnessing the first large-scale Arab uprising against Osama bin Laden, his grim ideology, and his terror network. And the significance of this development cannot be overstated ," the president said.

"The challenge in the period ahead is to consolidate the gains we have made and seal the extremists' defeat. We have learned through hard experience what happens when we pull our forces back too fast — the terrorists and extremists step in, fill the vacuum, establish safe havens and use them to spread chaos and carnage."


So, do YOU think it was worth it?

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 Post subject: Re: Bush says Iraq war was worth it...
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Of course he's going to say it was worth it. If he says anything else he's practically admitting defeat and what everyone else knows, that it wasn't worth it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bush says Iraq war was worth it...
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What i think is hilarious, is that people were saying that this war was about keeping oil prices low. ha look at oil prices right now.

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 Post subject: Re: Bush says Iraq war was worth it...
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Typical American article. Only bothered about the money spent on the war. Yes, for the money spent I think the war was worth it. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Bush says Iraq war was worth it...
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The Iraq was was worth it? That's rubbish. I'd like to know how more than $2 trillion was worth it. They've taken Iraq from somewhere that actually worked to some extent, ruled by an evil dictator; to somewhere that is now ruled by warlords, where not only different areas of the country are at war, but different blocks in cities. In the process, they're crashing the US and global economies.

They need to get out right now and let the Iraqi people clear up the mess. Staying there is only making the situation worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Bush says Iraq war was worth it...
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I think the war would have been worth it if it was carried out right, but it was not.
In the ling run I think it will be worth it now. I mean women are getting a education now, new schools are being opened, and better health care.

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 Post subject: Re: Bush says Iraq war was worth it...
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Based on the war on Iraq, Bush wasn't worth it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bush says Iraq war was worth it...
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I fail to see what they even managed to accomplish there.

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 Post subject: Re: Bush says Iraq war was worth it...
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Long term, after a lot of fighting, civil wars and so on it'll probably do it good. I'd have just preferred it if my country kept out of it rather than having to get it's hands dirty. All we've done is speed up what was going to happen anyway, people would of got sick of the dictators and risen up into civil war anyway.

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Democracy is flawed anyway, i don't understand why over the last few hundred years it's been forced on so many - Especially when it tends to fail. Democracies don't really win wars they start. I'd prefer a revert back to the days of a monarchy with actual power, none of the ceremonial ******* we have now.

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Why not put the 2 trillion dollars towards airport and plane security and other various securities to prevent and maybe stop all terrorist attacks. Because once Iraq is done with, another terrorist group is going to form, then what..? spend another 2 trillion on a war against them.

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murdererdood wrote:
Democracy is flawed anyway, i don't understand why over the last few hundred years it's been forced on so many - Especially when it tends to fail. Democracies don't really win wars they start. I'd prefer a revert back to the days of a monarchy with actual power, none of the ceremonial ******* we have now.


I couldnt live is a monarchy. I would end up being beheaded. I love my freedom of speech way to **** much

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It's so entertaining how he talks with big words but doesn't actually support anything with any real evidence.

The way I see it, they spent so much money on this war that they've made themselves more leveled out in the balance of power. That's perhaps the only way I see it was worth it.

Otherwise ... I don't. Lost lives, lost love, three hours a day dedicated to news reports of 'what's going on down there' ... it's just money. A big number and a bunch of paper bills.


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An emboldened al-Qaida with access to Iraq's oil resources could pursue its ambitions to acquire weapons of mass destruction to attack America and other free nations.


And now they have reason. Another failure for me to see how this was all worth it. Just my opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Bush says Iraq war was worth it...
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addiv wrote:
Based on the war on Iraq, Bush wasn't worth it.


Sorry but that's funny, if you're like me. XD

Yeah, Bush sucks epicly, but Obama will replace him.

But tbh, why would anyone fight over oil... :roll:

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