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PostPosted: October 3rd, 2007, 3:55 pm 
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Well this is a fantastically joyous topic, isn't it.

99887's sig got me thinking a bit. In case he changes it in the next ten minutes, here it is again:

Death is but the opposite of life, therefore acknowledge death as much as life

But... is it?

I suppose this sparks the argument about what life itself is. According to some interpretations, death could be accepted as an opposite. But then again, it might well not be. Of course, it depends how you look at life as to what death is.

Most religions accept death as a kind of transition from life into some kind of afterlife, or reincarnation or something. And this brings us to another argument: the soul. Is there a soul? Is our behaviour all just a product of random firings in the brain or do we have a soul which decides our actions?

You can, of course, guess what I am going to say. No, we don't have a soul. Life is nought but a chemical process, and our emotions and thoughts and things are just byproducts of that mass of nerves which sits inside our skull. Quirks like love and anger and things are, I think, a product of evolution, along with the conscience and things like that as well - the brain firing in one particular way and releasing hormones from one kind of gland when one particular thing happens. And according to the idea that life is a chemical process, death is not an opposite, but an absence of life, a cessation of this chemical process.

What do you think? Do we have a soul? Is there an afterlife? What is life and death?

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What is the soul.. it's a hard question. I think a soul is what gives us freedom to think, the ability to choose.

I believe that plants, for example, do not have a soul, they just do what they do because it's what they must do to stay alive, they cannot choose to not absorb nutrients from the ground or to stop absorbing sunlight to process their food. For a plant to die the plant's environment must be damaged in some way, a plant cannot take it's own life or even decide for itself what it wants to do. It's path is predetermined and it has no option but to stick to it.

Animals, excluding humans, I believe have a soul because of emotion. My dogs have all had emotion; Happiness, Love, Sadness, Fear. Perhaps it cannot be seen in something as small as a mouse, but in animals which we become attached to we are able to sense the emotions of them. Animals, not humans, appear to also be stuck to a single path. All my dog does is sleep all day, maybe it'll ask me for a walk or some food later on, but, should I deny it it's food - will it try and find some? I'm not going to test it, I love my dogs too much, but it's an interesting thought, wouldn't you agree? Do my dogs, and your pets have the ability to choose?

We know humans can choose - I'm choosing to write an essay for a reply because it's an interesting topic. It may be predictable I reply to a topic such as this but it's certainly not been predetermined - I have the ability to choose whether what I'm writing now is seen by everyone who wishes to read it. But of course, my reasoning for believing in a soul doesn't just come from "I can choose".
I've had an out-of-body experience. I was 6 years old. I saw my youngest brother being born. I can still recall various pieces of information which I know I cannot have known, nor guessed, with the mind of a 6 year old. I recall the colour of his umbilical cord, I recall the colour of the sky at the time he was born, I recall the sofa he was born on and I recall the people who were in the room. Should I have been 12 years old, I would have dismissed it as coincidence as I would probably have known or been able to make an educated guess at what happened at that time. But I was six years old. A shame, because of the obvious lies which come from fanatics mouths when they say they've died on an operating table and saw a bright light, many legitimate experiences are ignored and set aside as vivid dreams. Of course it's only logical to not change your mind over something one person has experienced, especially if you only know them through an internet forum and are known to be a little aggressive in the somewhat religious topics such as this. ;-)

But death, do I think it's the end? I don't know, and I don't want to. Whether there is an 'afterlife' or not I do not wish to know before I go, thinking that I'm just going to be a corpse of rotting meat or dust inside an urn for eternity, until my essence becomes nothing but earth in the ground is a depressing thought which I would rather be at the back of my mind when the time comes. Though I personally see reincarnation to be the more probable of the 'death theories', that may be down to me not liking the idea of a complete end to my thoughts.

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Look at it like this...We are technically machines formed by nature. However so is every other animal on this planet. However the ability to decide choose and freely think, have emotions and have a conscious is not a normal part of a machine's ability this could be your soul.

That is a brief paragraph of a 50 minute discussion on this topic from my Theology class this year.


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Anubis wrote:
I recall the colour of the sky at the time he was born


Was it blue?!?!


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Fangda wrote:
Anubis wrote:
I recall the colour of the sky at the time he was born


Was it blue?!?!

:oops: That gave me a laugh, but please keep on topic.

Is there a soul? Hm, that's a good question, but I'm afraid that it's not really answerable. Each experience of what a "soul" is different according each person. I guess it comes down to what people personally believe. I believe that there we have souls, but not in the sense that someone who is evil is "soulless" or that a soul is a mysterious vapour that evaporates when you die. I see the soul as being the collection of abstract parts of the mind.

To me, the soul is the idea of perfection that lies in our minds as we acknowledge that the world is imperfect.

Edit: I realise that you asked more complex questions about afterlives and life/death. In a way, there is an afterlife for everything. The energy we put into things lives on forever. Even our physical bodies contribute to life as we're fertilising daisies in our graves. I believe that our minds live on when our bodies die, and that in itself is an afterlife. What is the point of living/dying? That depends on what you want the point to be. If you want the point of your life to be to pass on your genes and then die, then that's the point. It's up to you.

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Fangda wrote:
Anubis wrote:
I recall the colour of the sky at the time he was born


Was it blue?!?!


Lol, naw. I meant it was overcast. :oops:

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MattVortex wrote:
Well this is a fantastically joyous topic, isn't it.

99887's sig got me thinking a bit. In case he changes it in the next ten minutes, here it is again:

Death is but the opposite of life, therefore acknowledge death as much as life


Firstly: Wow all this from some quote I thought up.

Secondly: I now solely believe in that quote.

Thirdly: I would never take that out of my signature.

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