Question

Imagine world war two without america. Do you think Britan could have held of the Nazi invasion, do you think Britan could have stoped japan? What if the Nazi's and Japan had invaded The Uk together, could the Uk hold back the invasion?

Yes-No?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion

... This patriotic orgy has gotten quite pathetic. The European nations combined could have held back the Nazis, without the Americans help.

Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.

Savage? Do you have any idea how savage the Japanese were to the countries that they invaded in the Philippines? They were inhumane in their treatment of the Filipinos living there, much like the Nazi treatment of Jews. Also not to mention the savagery of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

However, I'm not going to deny that our attack with the atomic bomb wasn't brutal. It was either take them out or let them continue their tactics while thousands of innocent Filipinos or American soldiers died. I prefer the former to be honest.

The Japanese weren't all so innocent in WWII.

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As for how the Allies would have fared without the US, I'm not entirely sure. I think a major impact of not having America's aid would be the lack of natural resources and products that Americans supplied for the war cause. However, even if the Axis did actually defeat the European forces I doubt it would have been easy with Churchwell commanding the British forces.

It is horrible that all those people died, but in the end it saved more lifes. When the bomb was dropped, and then the second, the war with Japan was put to an end instantly. If we would have invaded Japan there would have been mre lifes lost.

I ma not trying to say "go drop a bomb on them" because I DO NOT support the fact that we dropped the Atom bomb on Japan, I am just stating why we did it.

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I think that Europe could have defeated the Nazi's with out America, but I do think that is was a lot easier when we invaded France (controlled by Germany) to end the war with the Nazi's

Towards the end of the second world war the USSR was against Germany, And German would have faced attacks in the east from Russia, and from the British in the west (yes we did have an organized military, what you're saying is rubbish, Im sure for the first few years of the war we just held them off with sticks and stones, eh?) the fact that you guys ran in in the final few years and powered us to victory does not mean we would have withered and died without you.

I'm more than happy to sit back while the rest of you debate your precious consititution, but when you try and make it seem like you won us the war? Like we owe you? Like you actually did something for us? That's America all over.

I love the Uk, but by themselves, I think not. The Japanise would have demolished them with airel attacks.

no if hitler had actually done operation sea lion as planned britain would have been gone, that or he didn't go after russia. if japan had helped germany in the war with russia he might have won.

besides if america didn't go into the war we wouldn't have our computers.

I personally reckon that we could have held them off. It ***** me off so much when I hear Americans saying "We saved your asses in WWII". That's not true, there's no conclusive evidence that it was because of the Americans that we won. In the end, Americans just sped it up by dropping bombs and killing lots of people. I don't mean to sound against the Americans, because you never know what could have happened, but I personally reckon we could've beaten them, it would have just taken longer.





Very well said.

I didn't read all of the Sea Lion thing, couldn't be bothered, and the TV was on, and I didn't really understand most of what I read, all I gathered was that Germany was going to invade England in the 1940s. I thought that athat was the major plan overall but OK.

To sum it up, I reckon that England would've beaten them and won the world war, with or without the Americans, sure they helped, and sped it all up, but in the end, I reckon we would have beaten them, no matter how long it took.

Woah, longest post I've written for a long time. o.O

Yes we could have.
Sure, it would have take a few more months/years, but we'd been fighting for a lot longer than America (who, from my perspective, jumped in at the last minute - dropped a bomb, and decided that they were the sole saviors of the world) and we were doing fine.