To all the Atheists

Brad · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 9:47 am

Dokter Bob wrote:

It's possible that He could've worked through evolution and the big bang and such.

And when all else fails.. Christians pull out this argument. If God was all powerful enough to just create these things as you believe and as it says in your holy book then why would be bother setting up some chemical process to do it for him?

Clutching at straws or what?

Adbot · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 9:47 am

Matthew1987 · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 9:59 am

Brad wrote:

Dokter Bob wrote:

It's possible that He could've worked through evolution and the big bang and such.

And when all else fails.. Christians pull out this argument. If God was all powerful enough to just create these things as you believe and as it says in your holy book then why would be bother setting up some chemical process to do it for him?

Clutching at straws or what?

Maybe to create science. He could've put atheism in as well.

Jasonmrc · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 12:05 pm

Not to be a back seat Moderator or anything but this topic seems to have gotten off topic and (atleast to me) has atleast one, if not more, embers glowing.

The original question and discussion:

Ranging God wrote:

Since ya dont believe in God, or a God(s) How do you believe we got here and do you think there is a reason we are here? Also what happens when we die?

(and I am not one sided, I was a Atheists for many years)

I think everyone here knows that this thread now belongs to the topic of "What made the world, Evolution or God?". I could put many other titles to the current argument but I won't, as that would draw this even further off topic.

Since Christians aren't atheists, this topic really doesn't apply to them. Even if something in this topic does annoy you it shows you're a better person when you close the tab/window or go back to the index.

There's no point in discussing the creation of the world because nobody can prove one way or the other (Listen Creationists and Atheist/Evolutionists). Neither side can give solid evidence. Neither side was there when time began so we have no eyewitnesses. Scientists can say they've found such and such evidence and Creationists can say that the evidence supports their idea better but it doesn't matter.

We'll find out who was right when we cease to breathe.

If there is no 'afterlife' then we will know by not knowing anything that there really was no God, however it still doesn't prove whether evolution was correct or not.
If there is a 'Heaven' and a 'Hell' then we will know because some of us will be in Heaven while others will be in Hell. If there is a Heaven then evolution is wrong and a God who created it is right.

But we can't know for sure either way until we die. After we die we can't relay the information back to living humans so the argument NEVER ENDS.

I didn't want to get into another Creation vs. Evolution discussion again because they usually end in a flame war, which is one reason why I think this topic should either get back to the original question or die.

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 12:10 pm

Josh wrote:

you could say the same about the "why do you believe in god" thread.

Erm.. There are no atheists arguing about religion in that thread buddy.

colinsoccer123 · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 12:30 pm

Dokter Bob wrote:

Can some atheist explain the platypus? It has a duck bill, a beaver tail, and spines on it's legs. Why would it need the bill and tail?

And also, what about bananas? XD

Wikipedia wrote:

The banana has been labelled the 'Atheist's Nightmare' by some Christians (most notably Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron) who draw parallels between many aspects of the fruit (such as its overall shape and the way the peel changes colour as it ripens to indicate when it can be eaten) with those of a soda-can as proof that it has been intelligently designed. It has been pointed out however that it is only the highly cultivated and altered banana that exhibits most of these characteristics, and not the naturally occurring variety from which it is derived.

Also, they say that God works in mysterious ways.

It's possible that He could've worked through evolution and the big bang and such.

On the platypus. The bill is to help it eat the kind of food it eats, the tail is to help it swim and the spikes on the male platypus is to help it defend itself. Are you stupid?

Bananas your quote just destroyed that arguement. Only the highly cultivated and altered bananas exhibit most of these characteristics.

God created the big bang? What the ****? You think that if this "god" did exist he would want to sit through billions of years of chemical reactions and then more billions of years for life to form and then wait another BILLION years for humans to even be on the radar?? Fun life.

Yazackie90 · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 3:10 pm

colinsoccer123 wrote:

God created the big bang? What the ****? You think that if this "god" did exist he would want to sit through billions of years of chemical reactions and then more billions of years for life to form and then wait another BILLION years for humans to even be on the radar?? Fun life.

pfft

Time wouldn't be exactly relative to god. I have to stakes this nice and clear:

God is nothing like a huge immortal smart ghost. He is nothing like humans.

But thats the last I'm gonna say on this topic, Considering jason is right.

Adbot · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 3:10 pm

Alex · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 4:27 pm

How the hell would you know what God is or is not?

He could be human, like in Bruce/Evan Almighty, he could very well be a big elderly-looking man up in the clouds with a long white beard.

Or, and this one gets my vote, he could be non-existent.

And Jason, be thankful that Rsbandb is actually having a decent discussion about something. If someone starts flaming, punish them, but leave the topic open.

Topics like these don't occur too often.

Iron Maiden · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 4:54 pm

Oh mee gawd, These questions are so deep. If the world started with God and then, 2 persons (Adam and Eva)...They had kids and kids had kids and so on and so on, To build the human race. But if you look deeper, The only logical explaination is, We are all **** sibling :shock:

Someone cant come of nowhere, s/he must be born by someone...Oh well, I dont know if you understand me

I do believe in god, I do not pratice, But I'm sure there is someone who created the world. No ones could came from the wonder-world, This is impossible...Ahh so hard to justify

Still, No ones know if god exist or not. Who the hell can meet him before death? I wonder. To me, This is more like a symbol, The symbol of meeting the creator when you die.

Still, I wonder why some people say 'lolol god do not exist this is *******@@' and when you ask them to proove it they say 'lol my religion says so' , Who the **** are you to say that God doesnt exist if you cant proove it and your only argument is ''my religion says so''

No ones can says if god exist or not, This is a mystery, And better like this. Can you imagine the disaster it will cause if it was revealed? o.O
You will know when you will die. Period.

jointntoday · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 5:14 pm

Iron Maiden wrote:

Still, I wonder why some people say 'lolol god do not exist this is *******@@' and when you ask them to proove it they say 'lol my religion says so' , Who the **** are you to say that God doesnt exist if you cant proove it and your only argument is ''my religion says so''

really? because the only proof christins have is "my religion says so" other then that there is no real hard proof the bible is not proof...if the bible is proof that jesus and all the others are\were real, then so is the books about harry potter. and everyone knows he is not real(his character). its fun to watch people have a discussion about something, and none of them are going to win.

and so im not getting off topic to much, how did we get here? we are just another animal but the reason we are here is to watch over the land. to keep nature balanced in a way, but as most of you can see...we really **** that up lol.

i dont think my views of life fit any real religion so i guess you could call me atheist, because i dont think any god(s) exist. but i think of my self more as a buddhist..and buddhism isnt a religion. so yeah i guess im a 'atheist'. lol.

this is all im going to say, im not going to fight about my views or anyone else's view on life/how we got here or anything. thats the way i see things, thats how i've always saw it and if you see things not the same, thats fine with me.

matthewda93 · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 8:22 pm

jointntoday wrote:

really? because the only proof christins have is "my religion says so" other then that there is no real hard proof the bible is not proof...if the bible is proof that jesus and all the others are\were real, then so is the books about harry potter. and everyone knows he is not real(his character). its fun to watch people have a discussion about something, and none of them are going to win.

Notice the book is fictional. The Bible is not (supposedly).

jointntoday · **Posted:** September 19th, 2008, 8:26 pm

matthewda93 wrote:

jointntoday wrote:

really? because the only proof christins have is "my religion says so" other then that there is no real hard proof the bible is not proof...if the bible is proof that jesus and all the others are\were real, then so is the books about harry potter. and everyone knows he is not real(his character). its fun to watch people have a discussion about something, and none of them are going to win.

Notice the book is fictional. The Bible is not (supposedly).

yes, but there is no proof the bible is or is not fictional other then "my religion says so"
and thats what i was saying. just to clear that up.

Ranging God · **Posted:** September 20th, 2008, 5:53 am

jointntoday wrote:

matthewda93 wrote:

jointntoday wrote:

really? because the only proof christins have is "my religion says so" other then that there is no real hard proof the bible is not proof...if the bible is proof that jesus and all the others are\were real, then so is the books about harry potter. and everyone knows he is not real(his character). its fun to watch people have a discussion about something, and none of them are going to win.

Notice the book is fictional. The Bible is not (supposedly).

yes, but there is no proof the bible is or is not fictional other then "my religion says so"
and thats what i was saying. just to clear that up.

You cant possibly say the Bible is Fiction. It is a history book... Thats like saying Darwins diaries are just made up (funny comparison I know lol)

Yazackie90 · **Posted:** September 20th, 2008, 6:02 am

Ranging God wrote:

You cant possibly say the Bible is Fiction. It is a history book... Thats like saying Darwins diaries are just made up (funny comparison I know lol)

Funny, thats the exact opposite of what I said... XD

Rune Beast0 · **Posted:** September 20th, 2008, 7:12 am

Ranging God wrote:

You cant possibly say the Bible is Fiction. It is a history book... Thats like saying Darwins diaries are just made up (funny comparison I know lol)

You can't possibly say it isn't fiction. The world was not made in 7 days. There is evidence disproving that.

Along with several other examples that I'm too lazy to list.

I believe that Jesus Christ was a real person. Was he the son of God? Not so much.

jointntoday · **Posted:** September 20th, 2008, 9:55 am

Ranging God wrote:

You cant possibly say the Bible is Fiction. It is a history book... Thats like saying Darwins diaries are just made up (funny comparison I know lol)

ill say it again.

"this is all im going to say, im not going to fight about my views or anyone else's view on life/how we got here or anything. thats the way i see things, thats how i've always saw it and if you see things not the same, thats fine with me."