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should marajuanna be legal?
Poll ended at August 22nd, 2009, 12:36 am
Yes, for recreation 22%  22%  [ 21 ]
Yes, for recreation 22%  22%  [ 21 ]
Yes, for medical uses 14%  14%  [ 13 ]
Yes, for medical uses 14%  14%  [ 13 ]
No, not at all 14%  14%  [ 13 ]
No, not at all 14%  14%  [ 13 ]
I don't know if it should be legalized 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
I don't know if it should be legalized 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: July 26th, 2009, 8:48 pm 
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Well, I'm still up in the air on it, but I think it should not me legalized. Here's the way I see it, though. On the one hand, a drug is a drug. When you put a drug into your body, there are good and bad things that happen. For one thing, I don't feel responsible for what other people put into their bodies. I feel that I can warn the person of what can happen to them if they do, but that choice is theirs, not mine. I can't stop someone from choosing one way or the other unless I hold a gun to their head and strip their freedoms. But if I'm not around, that choice is up the person. To me, I believe marijuana is bad and should not be legalized or decriminalized. A government should not support or gain profit off people's unhealthy choices. The greatest examples of these are tobacco and alcohol. These are generally acceptable practices to many people, but our heavily taxed and regulated by the government. I don't think it's necessarily bad to do that, but I think the government has gone over the line with it. I also think this whole argument depends on how you have grown up and what you believe. If you are like me, you think very conservatively. I tend to shun very liberal ideologies such as this. Even if marijuana was medically legal, it would still cause problems of distribution to people who are not supposed to have it. The real truth of the matter is that this issue opens a whole can of worms that people have to deal with. As I mentioned earlier, should a government profit off the choices people make, whether good or bad? Is making something legal better for the people or totally worse? Is it up to the federal government or the state and local governments? Should we just start following the wishes of the masses in order to get along? To me, the answer is simple. Don't legalize or decriminalize the stuff. Force people to get it illegal and possibly get caught trying. Make harsher punishments for possession and use. Unless it is legal, it should not be practiced at all and should be made very undesirable.

You sat there and said the government shouldn't profit off of people's unhealthy habits, but they do. What would be the difference of what in your opinion is a terrible drug made legalized compared to alcohol or cigarettes. The government is profiting off of unhealthy things what would be the difference if they profited off marijuana.

I would also like to point out this. Remember the prohibition what happened there alcohol was deemed illegal. As soon as that happened mafia profited and crime reigned over cities. When it was legal again all the crime dropped.


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Weed is also incredibly expensive. My cousin spends about $20-$30 a day for weed. That's ~$200 a week, ~$800 a month and ~$10,000 a year. Saying you earn ~$100 a day, and you spend 20 bucks for weed, You lose 20% of your income.

If it's not expensive, I wonder what it is.

On a side note, Cigarettes and Alcohol are also incredibly expensive, my grand'pa takes (and I'm not kidding) 100 cigarettes in a day (Four packs of 25). Imagine how it actually costs him.

I'm probably the only one in my whole family to have never touched any drug/cigarettes/alcohol.
As I said before, I dont need any of them to be hardcore.

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Weed is also incredibly expensive. My cousin spends about $20-$30 a day for weed. That's ~$200 a week, ~$800 a month and ~$10,000 a year. Saying you earn ~$100 a day, and you spend 20 bucks for weed, You lose 20% of your income.

If it's not expensive, I wonder what it is.

You can get weed for ten dollars and there is a lot of it. It just depends on your habits.


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You start out small, Then you take it more often because you like it or whatever, You buy in larger quantity and that's where it cost you alot of cash.

I dont think it's a question of habit, mostly a question of time before someone turns into a druggie.

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You start out small, Then you take it more often because you like it or whatever, You buy in larger quantity and that's where it cost you alot of cash.

I dont think it's a question of habit, mostly a question of time before someone turns into a druggie.

That is true, but people do the same thing for cigarettes


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Weed should definitely be legal in all 50 states for medical use, and Legal for recreational use in MY STATE!


care to give a reason if you don't mind?

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You start out small, Then you take it more often because you like it or whatever, You buy in larger quantity and that's where it cost you alot of cash.

I dont think it's a question of habit, mostly a question of time before someone turns into a druggie.

That is true, but people do the same thing for cigarettes


And cigarettes much like Alcohol was introduced at a time where the health problems where not known. Why anyone thinks the goverment should make it legal to self halm yourself is beyond me.

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Duke Juker wrote:
Well, I'm still up in the air on it, but I think it should not me legalized. Here's the way I see it, though. On the one hand, a drug is a drug. When you put a drug into your body, there are good and bad things that happen. For one thing, I don't feel responsible for what other people put into their bodies. I feel that I can warn the person of what can happen to them if they do, but that choice is theirs, not mine. I can't stop someone from choosing one way or the other unless I hold a gun to their head and strip their freedoms. But if I'm not around, that choice is up the person. To me, I believe marijuana is bad and should not be legalized or decriminalized. A government should not support or gain profit off people's unhealthy choices. The greatest examples of these are tobacco and alcohol. These are generally acceptable practices to many people, but our heavily taxed and regulated by the government. I don't think it's necessarily bad to do that, but I think the government has gone over the line with it. I also think this whole argument depends on how you have grown up and what you believe. If you are like me, you think very conservatively. I tend to shun very liberal ideologies such as this. Even if marijuana was medically legal, it would still cause problems of distribution to people who are not supposed to have it. The real truth of the matter is that this issue opens a whole can of worms that people have to deal with. As I mentioned earlier, should a government profit off the choices people make, whether good or bad? Is making something legal better for the people or totally worse? Is it up to the federal government or the state and local governments? Should we just start following the wishes of the masses in order to get along? To me, the answer is simple. Don't legalize or decriminalize the stuff. Force people to get it illegal and possibly get caught trying. Make harsher punishments for possession and use. Unless it is legal, it should not be practiced at all and should be made very undesirable.

You sat there and said the government shouldn't profit off of people's unhealthy habits, but they do. What would be the difference of what in your opinion is a terrible drug made legalized compared to alcohol or cigarettes. The government is profiting off of unhealthy things what would be the difference if they profited off marijuana.

I would also like to point out this. Remember the prohibition what happened there alcohol was deemed illegal. As soon as that happened mafia profited and crime reigned over cities. When it was legal again all the crime dropped.

I did say they do profit off them. When I mentioned tobacco and alcohol, I said they tax it heavily, thereby profiting. I suppose the difference between legalizing a terrible drug compared to alcohol and tobacco is really nothing. As I said, a drug is a drug. When you use it, there are consequences for doing so, both good and bad (usually more bad, though). There would be no difference if they profited off of marijuana. They would still be profiting off a drug, just as they are now. It doesn't matter what the drug is. It all goes in the same boat. From tobacco, to alcohol, to weed, to heroine, to opium, to anything else, it's all the same. A drug is a drug. Drug are more often than not bad for your body. Governments should not legalize or support drugs. The job of a government is to do what is best for the people (within certain limitations). Would it make sense for a government to make it legal to hurt yourselves or others around you? That's what drug dealers and users do. They get others hooked who would have otherwise probably would not have been. So I feel that, though governments do make legal and tax drugs, they shouldn't do it, even though they do, knowing it is hurtful to the general populous.

On your second point of prohibition, I would not completely agree that crime dropped. Because alcohol became legal, crime shifted to other ventures. There was no point in bootlegging if it wasn't illegal. I would say that alcohol has brought on more problems than when prohibition was in place. Think of all the alcoholics out there, the abuse, the violence, and everything else that could happen that is associated with bars, booze, and drinking. Was it really worth it yo repeal prohibition in order to make crime and mafia activities stop, only to start up in other, worse areas?

On a final not, I want to leave this to think about. The whole drug trade is viewed as a war, and rightly so. We are fighting against the drug trade in order to make sure that people do not get addicted to these other drugs. If we just give up and say its legal, than the drug runners and smugglers win. But they won't give up until every drug they can lay their hands on is exploited. Sure, once a drug is legal, it may drop crime and smuggling a little, but the loss of health to the general populous will be implacable. The appropriate thought here is that it's a lose-lose situation.

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Cannabis (Marijuana)

Just some light to shine on some info for people who think that Cannabis (Marijuana) is worse than Tobacco.

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Assasin, Hospitals grow and prescribe marijuana, they prescribe it to people who have serious issues (like several back, and other surgeries).

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Cannabis (Marijuana)

Just some light to shine on some info for people who think that Cannabis (Marijuana) is worse than Tobacco.

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Assasin, Hospitals grow and prescribe marijuana, they prescribe it to people who have serious issues (like several back, and other surgeries).


Problem wth wikis is it's very helpful but you should check the source first. For example under source for that image theres;
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That pretty much makes it ******* in my book. Not that I'm trying to argue it's worse than tobacco. I like..every other bugger in the world don't really know the full damage it's doing to a person.

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Different chart kind of but it has a source.


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It's appear that Alcohol is the worst of them all. And canabis is the least -but still- dangerous.

They're all bad in my opinion, none of them worth it. You can clearly see they're all incredibly addictive, and it's the main reason I dont take any. Addiction is your greatest ennemy, you'll need more and more day after day.

I find it sad the way people introduce drugs to young people

Dealer - Yo kid do you want weed?
Young 13 kid - Na
Dealer - C'mon you're just a **** ******
*smokes it*

Half of teens who takes drugs just want to prove they're hardcore. Which could be avoided.

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Problem wth wikis is it's very helpful but you should check the source first. For example under source for that image theres;
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That pretty much makes it ******* in my book. Not that I'm trying to argue it's worse than tobacco. I like..every other bugger in the world don't really know the full damage it's doing to a person.


It actually says

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Comparison of physical harm and dependence regarding various drugs (the British medical journal The Lancet).

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Of addiction (although, some only consider physical dependency as addiction and not phsycological):

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Withdrawal -- Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.
Reinforcement -- Substance's ability, in human and animal tests, to get users to take it repeatedly, and instead of other substances.
Tolerance -- Amount of substance needed to satisfy increasing cravings, and level of plateau that is eventually reached.
Dependence -- Difficulty in ending use of substance, relapse rate, percentage of people who become addicted, addicts self-reporting of degree of need for substance, and continued use in face of evidence that it causes harm.
Intoxication -- Level of intoxication associated with addiction, personal and social damage that substance causes.


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I'm loving all these pictures used to show that marijuana isn't as harmful as people think although i still don't endorse the taking of it

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