Law enforcement at its finest

Lord Rickles · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2012, 6:59 pm

Warren wrote:

i bet they did the thing where they throw you to the ground and then kneel on your head and cuff you so tight that your hands get cut off too.

Officers don't kneel on your head, or at least that's not the point. They put their knee on the muscles of the person's inner shoulder blades to prevent them from trying to push themselves up. If the person makes any sort of motion to get up by using those muscles, the officer will feel it before they have the strength to move and can stop them from doing so, probably by digging their knee into that nice squishy and especially tender part of your upper back and neck.

Charging the child with a crime may seem silly to you and I, but if it is to force her into some sort of anger management treatment, then it is necessary. I promise you that they won't put a 6 year old in any sort of jail setting for this sort of thing. As the ever-wise Uncle Dano said, therapy would be a more appropriate way to correct this behavior.

Adbot · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2012, 6:59 pm

Warren · **Posted:** April 23rd, 2012, 9:14 pm

I was making fun of the excessive force on small/none existent infractions some cops like to use for some reason. Especially when they are being filmed. And on cops.... how is that show not scripted? Or is it?

And I disagree. Six years old is old enough to be tried as an adult. Canada's heading in that direction, I hope we don't apply the brakes.

And was anyone there to actually witness what happened or how this child acts on a regular basis? So let's stop jumping to conclusions. Every kid I've ever dealt with I wanted to tie up and duck tape their mouths at multiple points but I don't go thinking their parents should be charged.
It's easy to think you were a good parent after all the effort you put into it but some people take for granted that they were given good kids.

Lord Rickles · **Posted:** April 24th, 2012, 3:42 am

Warren wrote:

Every kid I've ever dealt with I wanted to tie up and duck tape their mouths at multiple points ...

I lol'ed. Then I was depressed. If every kid you meet makes you feel this way, perhaps you have a bad perception of kids. While I agree the child should be punished legally, what correcting factor will help treat someone who clearly doesn't have the mental capacity of an adult? Should we jail mentally disabled or disturbed people as well? How will this prevent them from committing these actions in the future?

All creatures, especially lower level thinking ones, behave based on the reactions to such behavior they did before. Children, especially young ones, aren't capable of understanding external variables, only what they see or what they feel themselves at the time, and associate that with whatever situation they are in. It is for this reason that so many people blame parents. They clearly led their children to believe that how they act in that situation is OK. Children don't think to observe this from someone else's perspective, or even know such behavior is wrong if they are not told it is as such. It's a parent's responsibility to teach them these things, and if they don't, the judicial system should force them to for the betterment of the child.

Duke Juker · RSBandB Donor since 07/01/2010

Lord Rickles wrote:

Warren wrote:

Every kid I've ever dealt with I wanted to tie up and duck tape their mouths at multiple points ...

I lol'ed. Then I was depressed. If every kid you meet makes you feel this way, perhaps you have a bad perception of kids. While I agree the child should be punished legally, what correcting factor will help treat someone who clearly doesn't have the mental capacity of an adult? Should we jail mentally disabled or disturbed people as well? How will this prevent them from committing these actions in the future?

All creatures, especially lower level thinking ones, behave based on the reactions to such behavior they did before. Children, especially young ones, aren't capable of understanding external variables, only what they see or what they feel themselves at the time, and associate that with whatever situation they are in. It is for this reason that so many people blame parents. They clearly led their children to believe that how they act in that situation is OK. Children don't think to observe this from someone else's perspective, or even know such behavior is wrong if they are not told it is as such. It's a parent's responsibility to teach them these things, and if they don't, the judicial system should force them to for the betterment of the child.

I agree with most of what you say.

Children still wouldn't know a behavior is wrong even if you told them so. If anything, they are just taking your word for it and not truly internalizing it and believing it. A child won't know something is wrong unless they mature and realize it is wrong or go do it for themselves. But, the best a parent can do is to simply tell the child what they should not do and then live by example.

I don't agree with the second part of your last sentence. It is a parent's responsibility to teach, but the government can't force you to be a parent, nor should it. If parents don't want to teach their children or be responsible, then 1) they shouldn't have children in the first place and 2) someone else who cares about kids and is responsible should get their children. It would be too difficult for government to manage and monitor parenting.

Warren · **Posted:** April 24th, 2012, 3:34 pm

Lord Rickles wrote:

Warren wrote:

Every kid I've ever dealt with I wanted to tie up and duck tape their mouths at multiple points ...

I lol'ed. Then I was depressed. If every kid you meet makes you feel this way, perhaps you have a bad perception of kids. While I agree the child should be punished legally, what correcting factor will help treat someone who clearly doesn't have the mental capacity of an adult? Should we jail mentally disabled or disturbed people as well? How will this prevent them from committing these actions in the future?

I don't have a bad perception of kids. I have a realistic one. EVERY SINGLE KID has, does, and will act out excessively. Some are worse than others. It is easy to suggest that the parent should be charged until its your child doing it.

And I obviously don't think children should be jailed, it was sarcasm directed at what a false majority of Canadians voted for. Jails are okay as a threat of punishment. They are good at holding people too dangerous to be in public. They are terrible at fixing actual problems though.