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 Post subject: Re: iran finds U.S spy plane
PostPosted: December 11th, 2011, 11:08 am 
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Let's be careful here. It's not "your media" or "the media" that's the topic here. The topic is the spy plane that Iran supposedly found. I don't want to have to clean this topic up because it turned into a US vs. the world in terms of media comparison. Any further posts pertaining to the US media vs. others will be removed. If you want to talk about your news stations compared to those in the US start a topic for that :).

And Creepy, every country has at least one news organization that spins the news in a particular way.

That plane looks like it could still fly. Coming down from 50,000 feet would result in a crater and maybe some pieces of debris, not a full aircraft. I say this is Iranian propaganda. A plane may have crashed but the picture in the article is certainly a fake.

Is not this a media story? A lot of this depends on the nature of the news story itself, not the spy plane. Sometimes the way a story is told is more important than the story itself. It is partially about media spin...but since we can't talk about that...

There is tension between Iran and most the rest of the world. The US is a country that takes it upon itself to keep tabs on Iran (as well as the rest of the Middle East) since terrorism is a threat and most terrorism is based out of the Middle East. We could debate whether this foreign policy stance is good or bad, heroic or unnecessary, or whatever. The fact of the matter is nuclear proliferation is not in the world's best interest and the US is attempting to control it. Or should that be a separate topic entirely as well, Shane?

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Duke Juker wrote:
Shane wrote:
Let's be careful here. It's not "your media" or "the media" that's the topic here. The topic is the spy plane that Iran supposedly found. I don't want to have to clean this topic up because it turned into a US vs. the world in terms of media comparison. Any further posts pertaining to the US media vs. others will be removed. If you want to talk about your news stations compared to those in the US start a topic for that :).

And Creepy, every country has at least one news organization that spins the news in a particular way.

That plane looks like it could still fly. Coming down from 50,000 feet would result in a crater and maybe some pieces of debris, not a full aircraft. I say this is Iranian propaganda. A plane may have crashed but the picture in the article is certainly a fake.

Is not this a media story? A lot of this depends on the nature of the news story itself, not the spy plane. Sometimes the way a story is told is more important than the story itself. It is partially about media spin...but since we can't talk about that...


That was exactly my thinking and why i brought media up in the first place. But whatever. I'm also not completely ignorant of the fact it happens across the world. Our version of fox news is the sun. It's owned by rupert murdoch. Surprise surprise.

The entire thing be it true or false is down to the media. As for your other point Mr duke about policing nukes...eh...it's a grey area. If you do that you'll only **** those countries off. I understand the need to keep tabs on countries and i certainly think a place like Iran needs to be watched i don't however think they can be painted as the bad guys in this situation like some people (and the American media for that matter) are trying to do.

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PostPosted: December 11th, 2011, 4:13 pm 
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CreepyPirate wrote:
Duke Juker wrote:
Shane wrote:
Let's be careful here. It's not "your media" or "the media" that's the topic here. The topic is the spy plane that Iran supposedly found. I don't want to have to clean this topic up because it turned into a US vs. the world in terms of media comparison. Any further posts pertaining to the US media vs. others will be removed. If you want to talk about your news stations compared to those in the US start a topic for that :).

And Creepy, every country has at least one news organization that spins the news in a particular way.

That plane looks like it could still fly. Coming down from 50,000 feet would result in a crater and maybe some pieces of debris, not a full aircraft. I say this is Iranian propaganda. A plane may have crashed but the picture in the article is certainly a fake.

Is not this a media story? A lot of this depends on the nature of the news story itself, not the spy plane. Sometimes the way a story is told is more important than the story itself. It is partially about media spin...but since we can't talk about that...


That was exactly my thinking and why i brought media up in the first place. But whatever. I'm also not completely ignorant of the fact it happens across the world. Our version of fox news is the sun. It's owned by rupert murdoch. Surprise surprise.

The entire thing be it true or false is down to the media. As for your other point Mr duke about policing nukes...eh...it's a grey area. If you do that you'll only **** those countries off. I understand the need to keep tabs on countries and i certainly think a place like Iran needs to be watched i don't however think they can be painted as the bad guys in this situation like some people (and the American media for that matter) are trying to do.

I could partially agree with that. I wouldn't say the country itself is bad, but rather it is the leadership. That's probably the main problem the rest of the world has with Iran. If we had a US backed puppet ruler in there, it would probably be less of an issue. Also, harboring terrorism is problematic, but again that goes back to the type of government and people in power. That's not necessarily the citizen's fault.

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 Post subject: Re: iran finds U.S spy plane
PostPosted: December 12th, 2011, 2:45 pm 
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CreepyPirate wrote:

I think I've missed your point oh wise one. That or you completely missed mine. My point was your media spins ******* just as much as Irans. And you lap it up just like the Iranian people.

If you was just trying to drag it off topic to point out the media doesn't represent a country i thank you. I did not realize this it was to my understanding Fox news spoke for America.


Well your right in that respect.


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PostPosted: December 15th, 2011, 5:58 am 
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I saw in the USA Today that a military official FINALLY declared the picture a fake.

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The unmanned spy plane recently captured by Iran appears to be a fake, according to a former Pentagon official.

The former official, who saw video footage of the drone on display in Iran, said not only is it the wrong color, but also the welds along the wing joints do not appear to conform to the stealth design that helps it avoid radar detection. The official requested anonymity because he is not authorized to release information on the drone matter.

Iran said it managed to gain control of the RQ-170 Sentinel electronically and guide it down as it flew over its airspace.

The former official also questioned why the landing gear was covered up when displayed by the Iranian military. In the footage, the drone's underside is obscured with banners that read: "We'll trample America underfoot" and "The U.S. cannot do a **** thing."


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 Post subject: Re: iran finds U.S spy plane
PostPosted: December 15th, 2011, 6:43 am 
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More media spin then. Hes a *former* official. It's his word against Irans. I don't know who to believe.

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should go to iran creepy and take a picture.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology- ... g-gps-030447469.html


The CIA and the U.S. military may have a serious security flaw to deal with if an Iranian engineer's story proves to be true. Speaking to Christian Science Monitor (CSM), he detailed how a team of specialists from his country hacked into a U.S. spy drone's GPS navigator in order to capture it. That's the same one the U.S. government claimed has landed in Iran's territory in early December due to a malfunction.

The Iranian specialists reportedly figured out that the RQ-170 Sentinel's weakest point is its GPS by examining previously downed American drones back in September. Using this knowledge, they designed a trap for one of the drones doing reconnaissance work in the country: "By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain," the engineer says. The team then simply programmed it to "land on its own where [they] wanted it to." The engineer asserts that the whole process is as easy as hacking into a Google account. The attack was ultimately successful, leading the unmanned vehicle to land in Iran instead of its home base in Afghanistan.

A 2003 study on GPS vulnerability indicates that the U.S. military has known about the problem for nearly a decade. If the RQ-170 in Iran's possession was indeed hacked, it means the susceptibility is yet to be fixed. This isn't the first time a U.S. drone's security was compromised: back in 2009, videos sent by stealth drones to their ground control stations were intercepted by Iraqi insurgents. And earlier this year, a virus had infected not one, but a whole fleet of unmanned vehicles.

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