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 Post subject: Re: firefighters won't put out house fire
PostPosted: October 24th, 2010, 10:15 pm 
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By your assumed logic, no one should really stop to help if they see an accident. You could replace anything with "kids being taken to school" and equate it to something that's important enough to pass up a crash or any other occurrence similar to it (which is what the importance of my article was. The men didn't think it important enough to stop and help even when it was clear there was a problem. In the crash, it doesn't matter if you can see the problem or not. You should still check it out if no one already has.) In all truth, people should stop to help unless nobody already has (and this is for good reason that I'll explain later). Do you actually remember the story of "The Good Samaritan?" Let me refresh everyone for those who don't.

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A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite (a person from the clan of Levi which has special religious significance), when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coins[ and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.


Obviously, this story is important to understanding the laws, but also the situations where this law comes into play. What is the point of this story? A man is placed in a predicament where is life is in danger. Along the way comes a priest, but he refuses to help. Presumably, this is a Jewish priest who understands helping others in need such as this situation. Also, his religious duty should have prompted him to help, yet he did not. The same is true for the Levite. The Levite is similar to a priest as it was the clan of Levi who performed the religious duties for the Jewish people. He, too, does not help. Finally, a Samaritan comes along and helps the man out of pity. Why pity? Of all the people that should of helped the man, the Samaritan is the least likeliest. The Samaritans were Jews who had racially mixed with people of other races than their own Jewish people (which was considered a big NO-NO by the Jews in the sight of God (since the Jews were God's chosen people, set aside from all other peoples)). The Jews hated the Samaritans and wouldn't associate with them and the same was true likewise. Yet, even with this in mind, the Samaritan helped the man anyway, made sure he got better, and even payed his expenses for shelter and care.

The point of the laws has to do with acting to take care of or save another. They protect the person doing the actions. Otherwise, people could potentially get sued for trying to help and nobody would want to act and try to save others. Their are many other signifiances to the story besides just helping others. It's about the people who help and the people who don't. The ones that should be helping aren't and just leaving the man when clearly he is in need. Also note that there is no reason given for why the men pass by, just that they do.

Why bring this up? Because, trekkie, if I was in a crash, I would hope just one person would stop to make sure I'm ok and not just pass by me. I'm going to assume you'd feel the same way, too. Sure, I understand people have their stuff to do, but does that mean we have no reason to just stop. School is school. Taking a minute or two to make sure someone is ok is a much better thing to do if no one has already. As I mentioned before, if someone has already dealt with the situation, that's one thing. But if no one has, you should feel obligated to do so. Even if I was a parent, or even if I was going to become a CEO that day and couldn't miss that day, I would probably stop and help the crash victim first. I'm sure most people wouldn't have a problem with helping others in need.

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 Post subject: Re: firefighters won't put out house fire
PostPosted: October 24th, 2010, 11:40 pm 
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By your assumed logic, no one should really stop to help if they see an accident. You could replace anything with "kids being taken to school" and equate it to something that's important enough to pass up a crash or any other occurrence similar to it


fine.

you're a doctor who just got a call that the hospital needs you to save a life. on your way out you left your phone and on the freeway there is a car crash. would you A. stop and help the people in the car crash and let the person who was in the hospital die.
or B you drive to the hospital, maybe remember that there was a car crash and save the person you were suppose to save.

and honestly duke, i don't believe you would save me anyway

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 Post subject: Re: firefighters won't put out house fire
PostPosted: October 25th, 2010, 1:55 am 
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trekkie wrote:
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By your assumed logic, no one should really stop to help if they see an accident. You could replace anything with "kids being taken to school" and equate it to something that's important enough to pass up a crash or any other occurrence similar to it


fine.

you're a doctor who just got a call that the hospital needs you to save a life. on your way out you left your phone and on the freeway there is a car crash. would you A. stop and help the people in the car crash and let the person who was in the hospital die.
or B you drive to the hospital, maybe remember that there was a car crash and save the person you were suppose to save.

and honestly duke, i don't believe you would save me anyway

Hmm. Meant to have phrased that as "almost anything." Guess I'll have to pay for that one.

In any case, it's quite a special scenario, especially since at least one life hangs in the balance and depends solely on me. Being a special scenario, I'd have to weigh the conditions as there are many factors that could contribute to my decision. First, I have an obligation to the hospital to respond to the call as I am the doctor on call. I have a priority for the hospital call over almost any previous engagement or thing that may come along the way. Next, I don't know how much time the person in question has to live. Could be 5-10 minutes from now, could be an hour if I'm lucky. Regardless, I should assume that due to the emergency of the call, it's serious and I have limited time.

Now, I don't know how bad the crash is which greatly impacts my decision. If it is a serious car crash, with likely dangerous injuries and fatalities to come, I may be inclined to stop as I could actually save a life where I am in the immediate circumstances. But assuming most car crashes are not that serious, these people are probably ok. That being said, if I'm on the freeway, there are probably other drivers around and a good chance the police will respond very shortly to the accident and take care of the crash. That, or one of the many drivers on the road will probably stop themselves to check on the crash, although, usually the worst thing to do in case of a crash on a freeway is to stop your car either to look or to help as this will probably only cause more congestion and possibly anger from the other drivers.

So, with that in mind, I'd have to choose to save the person at the hospital. Again, when I said anything, what I really meant to say was "almost anything." In all truth, it becomes a matter of choice when it comes to deciding which lives to save if you are given two options. But when there is only one life in peril, the choice should be obvious to save that life. Again, the fact that I have a previous obligation and that person's life depends on me, I have a duty to respond to that first. The crash, though serious to my immediate context, cannot take precedence over the person in the hospital unless the people in the car are in peril of dying. Because this also happens on a highway, it chances a lot of things, too. People will see the crash and emergency services will respond quickly. With the person in the hospital, I'm the only person who can save them. I'm performing the better good by going to save that person.

What I would argue, then, is that unless you are saving another person's life (as that would be the most important thing in my book ethically), you should feel "almost always" obligated to stop at a crash, or really stop to help anyone in your immediate surroundings if the conditions call for it. Saving a life is the most extreme example you could have picked. I pretty much walked right into that. Anyways, so that that's my explanation. Of what I would do. And I'm pretty sure I would save you, although, I'm not sure what you meant in saying that. :?

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