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Mccain OR Obama
Mccain 13%  13%  [ 12 ]
Mccain 13%  13%  [ 12 ]
Obama 24%  24%  [ 23 ]
Obama 24%  24%  [ 23 ]
Neither 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Neither 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Don't care 8%  8%  [ 8 ]
Don't care 8%  8%  [ 8 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Mccain OR Obama
PostPosted: October 27th, 2008, 9:39 am 
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I couldn't really careless, so for that reason, I choose Obama simply because he's black.

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PostPosted: October 27th, 2008, 9:46 am 
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In 'our' book, it says (describes characteristics a lot like Obama) and that he has other thoughts once he is leader(president). He is actually working for another country. And it is prophesied that he will win. In the end, it is expected that the second coming will be on December 23, 2012, the day of the next voting. (Me hoping=in 2012, they decide that the Mormons were right and vote Mitt Romney as president)

So those that don't care, think again.


Please tell me this is some kind of joke and you don't actually believe that. Only people who seem to be offer any real genuine reasons to not vote for Obama are those who do it under the guise of fear and gullibility. Old school GOP tactics to influence the stupid and uninformed.



It's his belief, why does it have to be a joke? So your saying I am not voting for Obama out of feer or gulluibility? How so?


No... read my post.

I am saying people offering reasons NOT to vote for Obama are only able to supply reasons like 'He's a muslim', 'he's friends with terrorists', 'he's not American', fear mongering and untrue allegations. The majority of the McCain campaign has been run on reasons NOT to vote for Obama rather than reasons TO vote for McCain. In an election the candidates should be saying 'vote for me because..' not 'don't vote for him because...'.

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 Post subject: Re: Mccain OR Obama
PostPosted: October 27th, 2008, 10:23 am 
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OK, gt ya. Your post that I quoted didnt make much sence to me. lol

Anyways, ya McCain has to go onthe offensive. people already know what McCain can do and were he stands were we are sceptical about Obama since he has only been inteh Senate for 148 days, and was only present for 130 of those.

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 Post subject: Re: Mccain OR Obama
PostPosted: October 27th, 2008, 11:50 am 
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I voted for McCain (even though I can't legally vote).

Reasons are basically due to his war experience, and the fact we're still in a war...
Sure, Obama has better economic plans but in reality he his plans for the war are horrible. They would put America in an even worse place we are now.

However, in this election you're really not voting for Bush=McCain and Obama=Change. McCain and bush hate each other, honestly, look it up. Obama is using plans that, yes, will incite change. However, they are all based on theorized results that have never been put in to use in any sort of way in any kind of society. So it's just a guess as to how much they'll work.

The votes will basically be like this:
McCain=We don't get bombed, and the middle-high class will be better off.
Obama=American economy trying to become level in a WORLD ECONOMY CRISIS. Thus, no matter how much his cries about it, nothing he does will have any sort of effect. The world leaders all have to do something, his plans on involve America.

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 Post subject: Re: Mccain OR Obama
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Not that fond of either, but Obama is certainly the lesser of two evils.

The fact McCain has voted with Bush 90-odd% of the time shows anyone who wants McCain probably just wants another 4 years of failed Bush-like thinking.

i agree,go obama!

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 Post subject: Re: Mccain OR Obama
PostPosted: November 1st, 2008, 2:48 pm 
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Brad wrote:
Not that fond of either, but Obama is certainly the lesser of two evils.

The fact McCain has voted with Bush 90-odd% of the time shows anyone who wants McCain probably just wants another 4 years of failed Bush-like thinking.



First of all, What do you mean lesser of two evils.
Second of all, Please explain to me what bush has done wrong. Don't even try and say "The economy."

Second of all, the economy wasn't bush's fault either, and to prove that I'll explain why. First of all, the mortgage industry is a large buisness industry for housing. Fanny Mae and Fanny Mac are the biggest companies within this industry, basically ALL mortgage transactions revolve around them. The ceo's of both are black. So knowing that, the CEO's of Fanny Mae and Mac decided, we need to get loans to people who have bad credit. (Bad credit: People who have a known cause for not paying bills, ect.) So the CEO's of these large companies decided, they needed a plan to give people with bad credit a chance to have a loan for them to get a house.

Mccain, didn't support this, and ofcourse Barack Obama had a huge say in it. He pretty much approved it, what was called 'The Minority Plan.' Like I said above, it gave loans to all Minorities who had bad credit. So billions of dollars in loans we're given to these minorites, and guess what. THEY NEVER PAID THEM BACK. WHAT a surprise, they had bad credit!

Anyways, the reasoning for this, was that, those houses that weren't payed for, were forclosed and taken by the bank. and the Bank has to SELL THEM LOW in order to get them off they're hands. This causes ALL the houses around that one foreclosed house to decrease in value. This continusly happened and no one could stop him, and eventually the housing market crashed. When that happened, the economy also started to crash over the years.

I hope you understand, that bush had little involvement of the economy and couldn't stop it from happening. THIS all was happening throughout clintons presidency and some of bush's. So after it's go this far down, you can't bring it back up for years, which is the reason to why BUSH could not fix the economy that easily.


Oh and also, Don't say the war either.

I hope you understand that the president doesn't decide whether we're going to war or not. HE has tiny say in it, but if he thinks we should doesn't mean we will.

Secondly, the WAR had to be done. Maybe you don't find it important, but the US always helps other countries when they're in trouble. Iraq, don't you realize we're trying to help them? We're fighting for their democracy, just like the Vietnamese war.

Why we aren't pulling out? Think about it, we already spent trillions of dollars and millions of lives, what's the point of pulling out at this point. Hilary clinton even agreed to that exact statement, I don't like war, not many people do, but we're trying to show our leadership just like we have in the past WHEN A DEMOCRAT WAS LEADING, but no one commented on that, ofcourse.

This had to be done also, not only for Iraq's democracy, but also Saddam had Alkhada stored around where he was hiding with toxic weapons that he was using to threatening us, and we finally had to step in.

One more thing about the war. If you think it's bush's fault we're in the war think again. President Bush had tiny say whether we go to war or not.


Anyways, tell me what bush has done wrong.

No... read my post.

I am saying people offering reasons NOT to vote for Obama are only able to supply reasons like 'He's a muslim', 'he's friends with terrorists', 'he's not American', fear mongering and untrue allegations. The majority of the McCain campaign has been run on reasons NOT to vote for Obama rather than reasons TO vote for McCain. In an election the candidates should be saying 'vote for me because..' not 'don't vote for him because...'.[/quote]


One again brad, your being completely biased and not looking at the other side.
I hope you know that WAY more democrats are voting Obama for these reasons: 'Because he's black' 'Because Bush fails' 'Because Palin is a retard

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 Post subject: Re: Mccain OR Obama
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I'm voting for Obama. I don't want "more of the same".

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 Post subject: Re: Mccain OR Obama
PostPosted: November 1st, 2008, 9:17 pm 
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I voted for Obama. I personally think that if you voted for McCain and Palin you are messed up.

The war: Obama wants out, I am for that.

The economy: Both Obama and McCain want to fix it.

Education: McCain supports "no child left behind act, which is crap."

Energy: Obama wants to work on getting clean energy. McCain wants to keep drilling oil. WTF. We NEED to get off foriegn oil.

Now about the canidates themselves. Get religion out. Organized religion is screwed up anyways. Just because Obama is muslim, doesn't make him a terrorist. The terrorists are just a bunch of f***ed up people who happen to be muslim. Not all muslims are bad.

McCain is old. Get somebody who isn't gonna die soon. (lol he isn't gonna die soon it just sounds funny.) He is too old to realize what is good for the American people. Just take a look at your grandparents. MOST of them are completely out of it and not hip at all. McCain voted with George Bush 90% of the time. George W. Bush is the worst president in the history of our country. He screwed up the war, the economy and other things.

VP's: Joe Biden isn't the greatest canidate, but he isn't that bad. I know one thing about him and that is that he doesn't like guns. I am all for this. Civilians have no reason to carry a gun. NO LEGITIMATE REASON. If the police force would pull the sticks out of their asses and lighten up then they could do something.

SARAH PALIN = **** noob. Are you joking.
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Maverick- Me and John McCain.
Shut the **** up about mavericks. She is soo dumb. She has no experience. I can see Russia from my house. Hey guess what pull your head out of you *** and see what your daughter is doing in her bedroom.
DID YOU KNOW? Sarah Palin made it legal in alaska to fly around in a helicopter and shoot animals. WTF. Are you serious. Get a life. She is Soooooooooooo Stupid.

Dirtbiking said that Democrats are voting for Obama because Sarah Palin and George Bush suck. Yea pretty much. Because Palin is dumb, and Bush and McCain are very similar.

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 Post subject: Re: Mccain OR Obama
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Screw Obama, As for guns any American is entitled to have a gun Amendment #2
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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Obama is not ready to be the country's Commander in Chief too young, no military experience, 130+ Hours in senate is not a lot.

Obama lover's will hate me for this but he is friends with terrorists I suspect. And his god **** war plan isn't gonna work its gonna put America into more deep ****.

I wouldn't vote for a president because he is black just to make the history.

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 Post subject: Re: Mccain OR Obama
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I agree with Mikhail.

I mean, you can't even become manager for a McDonalds in 130 or so hours.

But it's not like we really have a choice anymore, Obama's already won.

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well yet again, Obama wins :P
he is winning in electorial votes and pre-votes

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SARAH PALIN = **** noob. Are you joking.



You wanna talk about "noob"

Ok, your Obama has been int eh Senant for 148 days, only 130 of those days present. Oh and also look at what he has passed... Oh wait! thats right he has NOT PASSED ANYTHING!!

Palin on the other hand has passed tremendous bills in Alaska, and has helped Alaska in many ways.

So, how in your opinion is Obama more experienced then Palin?

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Mikhail wrote:
I wouldn't vote for a president because he is black just to make the history.


I agree with this statement. I see interviews on the TV box with people saying stuff like "I'm only voting for Obama because I wanna be a part of history." or "I think it's time to have a black president." It's like, wtf. But it's vice-versa, rednecks are saying stuff like "This country ain't ready for a black president." or "He's friends with the terrorists!".

It's frigging stupid.

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PostPosted: November 2nd, 2008, 11:03 am 
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This is a reply to dirtbiking06, didn't want to quote his post because it would take up too much space.

Firstly, I know why your economy, and subsequently, the rest of the worlds economy nose dived a few months back, so don't feel like you're educating me on the matter. Go read some of my posts in the various bailout topics the other month. But your fact aren't entirely straight, the mortgage companies were offered big handouts from the government to give the mortgages out to almost anyone because the American government wanted everybody to 'own a home'. This was before the time of Bush though, so it wouldn't be fair to blame it all squarely on him. But he certainly knew that the bust would come sooner or later and did little to stop it, but that can be said of many of the current world leaders.

Your claim that Bush had little say in going to war is almost poorly informed and misguided. Bush declared the 'War On Terrorism' after 9/11. He basically used a whole wave of bad feeling towards the middle east in the US after the attacks in to a justification for the invasion of Iraq to search for 'WMDs' that never existed and was never any credible evidence of the existence of. It was a war for oil, nothing else. Not your freedoms, not WMDs, not to save the Iraqi people (who ironically a lot of have payed with their lives at the hands of the American forces), just oil. Sure I understand the President can't just declare war on whoever he wants, he has to have the backing of the house, but without him being the driving force the invasion of Iraq would never have taken place.

And what else did Bush do wrong? Besides a failure to safeguard the economy and a war based on no credible evidence? Ohh the patriot act sound familiar to you? I'm not going to go in to that but if you think it's a good thing you probably don't know that much about it.

You offer no real rebuke on my Obama opinions. The entire McCain campaign has been based on trying to discredit his background. 'Punch and Judy Politics' we call it over here. It should not be the way things are run, if you think differently, then you obviously prefer the entertainment value of politics over it's actual means of getting things done. You're obviously from some hardcore republican family and you believe what you're told without question. Look outside the box a little more.

I don't write long replies here often because I don't consider it worth my time, so consider yourself lucky. And if you are going to reply; try and research your facts a little and don't just spew the same old rhetoric.

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