Your views on PETA?

Waffle 350 · **Posted:** October 15th, 2008, 10:29 pm

theres a point where things like this goes too far.

you need to give animals fair treatment and give them enough living space but you shouldnt worship them and use violence for them

Adbot · **Posted:** October 15th, 2008, 10:29 pm

Gzpro · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 6:28 am

I don't believe in the torture or cruelty of animals. But it sure seems like PETA is valuing the lives of animals far more than they value the lives of humans.

Matthew1987 · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 12:37 pm

Ranging God wrote:

I love PETA (it stands for People for the Ethnic Treatment of Animals)

You didn't know what it meant you just tried to copy Addiv and got it wrong. :roll:

You're too stupid to have any views.

Ryan · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 1:22 pm

Matthew1987 wrote:

Ranging God wrote:

I love PETA (it stands for People for the Ethnic Treatment of Animals)

You didn't know what it meant you just tried to copy Addiv and got it wrong. :roll:

You're too stupid to have any views.

Actually he is a member of PETA, and he's a vegetarian. His views are more relevant to this topic than your comment.

jointntoday · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 1:23 pm

Veggie Eater wrote:

Eh

They stand for a good cause. Yes, they go to extreme lengths, but that's because they feel it's necessary.

Honestly, I partly blame our society. Think about it - People do not pay attention to people asking politely to do stuff. They end up just getting walked on.

They use *** appeal and gore to get peoples attention. This is what our society reacts to, and they are using it to their advantage.

Do I agree with everything they do? No.

But yeah, they are fighting for a good cause. Just a bit extreme.

Edit:

momsrascal93 wrote:

It all sounds like a crock of **** if you ask me since it hurts cows if you DON'T milk them! A mother's milk is for her child!

About that..

PETA Letter to Ben and Jerry's wrote:

Like all mammals, cows only produce milk during and after pregnancy, so to be able to constantly milk them, cows are forcefully impregnated every nine months.

A woman hurts too when she's not 'milked' during and after pregnancy..
Cows are mothers to their calves too you know.. So you are exactly right. "A mother's milk is for her child!"
So there goes that argument down the drain.

no?

Quote:

The production of milk requires that the cow be in lactation, which is a result of the cow having given birth to a calf. The cycle of insemination, pregnancy, parturition, and lactation, followed by a "dry" period before insemination can recur, requires a period of 12 to 16 months for each cow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_farming
they inseminate(sp?) them to keep healthy genes in the herd...

Bogrollbloke · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 1:30 pm

Matthew1987 wrote:

Ranging God wrote:

I love PETA (it stands for People for the Ethnic Treatment of Animals)

You didn't know what it meant you just tried to copy Addiv and got it wrong. :roll:

You're too stupid to have any views.

Easy...

To be honest, I think those guys are nutters. You can't just go around bullying companies who are bigger than themselves, they're going to find out one day that they really did overstep the line and something pretty drastic is going to happen to them. Showing repeated pictures of the occasional **** head kicking some chicken around is not going to change the views of people. As a rule of thumb, the general population has a pretty decent understanding of basic morals (E.G. hoofing a chicken up the **** ain't big and it ain't clever) it's when morons who need to get off their high horse start forcing themselves around people start to get annoyed.

Kat wrote:

PETA Letter to Ben and Jerry's wrote:

Like all mammals, cows only produce milk during and after pregnancy, so to be able to constantly milk them, cows are forcefully impregnated every nine months.

A woman hurts too when she's not 'milked' during and after pregnancy..
Cows are mothers to their calves too you know.. So you are exactly right. "A mother's milk is for her child!"
So there goes that argument down the drain.

Yes, however humans are different to animals. There's no way you can justify impregnating a woman every time she pops out a new one for the sole reason of iced cream production. It's a **** ridiculous idea. And I bet they don't know the gestation period for bloody cows anyway, not that I do so I can't really comment on that but it looks like they just lumped them together with humans because they're so adamant that we're equal, even though we oh so clearly are not.

Do you see farmyard animals developing high infrastructure and having complex social standings? Do you *******, because they can't do it. Do you see wild animals setting up production plants and contributing to high society? Do you *******, because they can't do it. Humans are the only creature on this planet who have intelligent thought, and we're the ones intelligent enough to see a weaker species and exploit it. People who have a problem with that need to get out more, if it were up to me I'd see to it these lot were thrown into the woods and left to fend for themselves, no clothes, no help. See if they can terrorise the bears, wolves or whatever the hell lives in forests these days. They'll sharp change their mind about the animals while their lower half is busy being digested.

Don't get me wrong, I love animals, I couldn't live without my dog, and when you go out into the country looking at sheep and cows and horses and crap is quite nice, but going as far as to start to hurt humans because you don't like the way the animals are being treat seems a little hypocritical to me.

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Adbot · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 1:30 pm

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 6:12 pm

jointntoday wrote:

no?

Quote:

The production of milk requires that the cow be in lactation, which is a result of the cow having given birth to a calf. The cycle of insemination, pregnancy, parturition, and lactation, followed by a "dry" period before insemination can recur, requires a period of 12 to 16 months for each cow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_farming
they inseminate(sp?) them to keep healthy genes in the herd...

I was pointing out the fact that cows do not have to be milked all their lives..
They inseminate them to a)get milk and b)get more calves so they can either be dairy cows too or sold to the slaughter house.

I don't really see what you're arguing here..

jointntoday · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 6:18 pm

Veggie Eater wrote:

jointntoday wrote:

no?

Quote:

The production of milk requires that the cow be in lactation, which is a result of the cow having given birth to a calf. The cycle of insemination, pregnancy, parturition, and lactation, followed by a "dry" period before insemination can recur, requires a period of 12 to 16 months for each cow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_farming
they inseminate(sp?) them to keep healthy genes in the herd...

I was pointing out the fact that cows do not have to be milked all their lives..
They inseminate them to a)get milk and b)get more calves so they can either be dairy cows too or sold to the slaughter house.

I don't really see what you're arguing here..

im saying i dont see what the big deal is, cows, just like almost every other animal mate once a year, and spit out a kid once a year..wild deer do it, wild birds do it...its naturl..only with cows humans breed them and drink their milk...so what? its not like the farmers are makeing them spit out a baby right after one is born, they let them 'rest' for 12 - 16 months, not 9.
yeah i know they inseminate them for more cows/ more milk...they dont do it for fun

(or do they? #-o

)

Kyle · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 6:27 pm

Animal abuse is wrong but PETA is too extreme. Blowing up buildings who do animal experiments? And if ANYONE thinks milking a cow hurts them come to my house. My entire family are dairy farmers. Cows will die if you don't milk them when there in there prime. I also think fur coats are stuid but i would never do harm to someone wearing them.

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 6:36 pm

jointntoday wrote:

im saying i dont see what the big deal is, cows, just like almost every other animal mate once a year, and spit out a kid once a year..wild deer do it, wild birds do it...its naturl..only with cows humans breed them and drink their milk...so what? its not like the farmers are makeing them spit out a baby right after one is born, they let them 'rest' for 12 - 16 months, not 9.
yeah i know they inseminate them for more cows/ more milk...they dont do it for fun

(or do they? #-o

)

I think it's hilarious that you think they get to "rest".
I don't know if you're imagining them living in a nice farm or what, but the conditions are bad..

I admit, I drink milk. I know it's wrong and I feel guilty about [I'll probably end up becoming a vegan in a few years knowing my conscience]

I'm sure PETA knew Ben and Jerry's wasn't going to switch to breast milk. They suggested it to make a statement.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that humans produce milk for babies. Cows produce milk for calves. Deer produce milk for fawns. Dogs produce milk for puppies. Cats produce milk for kittens.
That is natural.

Humans drinking cows milk is not natural.

Yet, we do it anyway. I even think eating animals is more natural than drinking their milk. For some reason that just kinda disgusts me. But again, I'm just being a hypocrite because I do drink milk.
[I'm not saying however that I'd rather see a human kill an eat an animal than just drink its milk. I just think drinking another animals milk is less natural]

I'm sure small dairy farms treat their cows nicely. But the farms that most of us get our milk from is not a nice place at all. The conditions are sickening.

[That 30 Days tv show with the hunter and the peta people showed a dairy farm. You should watch that episode, it was pretty interesting]

I'm not trying to protect PETA. Like I said, they stand for a good cause, but they are extreme. But yeah, those are just my thoughts on all this.

Kyle · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 6:46 pm

Veggie Eater wrote:

Humans drinking cows milk is not natural.

Its completely natural...

For one second forget your views. Imagine living in the 1700's when you killed a cow you used every single parts. From eating the tongue to the sexual organs. Noting was wasted, so why would you let 1-2 gallons of this nutrient rich liquid go to waste? Its just been passed down through or generations to drink milk. So yes, its natural to drink milk. There is no harm to milking a cow a soft sucker pumps the milk from the utter they cow feels a massaging feeling. Every utter gets washed before and after milking. So next time you drink milk think of me and i promise you your not doing harm to cows by drinking there milk.

jointntoday · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 6:47 pm

Veggie Eater wrote:

jointntoday wrote:

im saying i dont see what the big deal is, cows, just like almost every other animal mate once a year, and spit out a kid once a year..wild deer do it, wild birds do it...its naturl..only with cows humans breed them and drink their milk...so what? its not like the farmers are makeing them spit out a baby right after one is born, they let them 'rest' for 12 - 16 months, not 9.
yeah i know they inseminate them for more cows/ more milk...they dont do it for fun

(or do they? #-o

)

I think it's hilarious that you think they get to "rest".
I don't know if you're imagining them living in a nice farm or what, but the conditions are bad..

I admit, I drink milk. I know it's wrong and I feel guilty about [I'll probably end up becoming a vegan in a few years knowing my conscience]

I'm sure PETA knew Ben and Jerry's wasn't going to switch to breast milk. They suggested it to make a statement.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that humans produce milk for babies. Cows produce milk for calves. Deer produce milk for fawns. Dogs produce milk for puppies. Cats produce milk for kittens.
That is natural.

Humans drinking cows milk is not natural.

Yet, we do it anyway. I even think eating animals is more natural than drinking their milk. For some reason that just kinda disgusts me. But again, I'm just being a hypocrite because I do drink milk.
[I'm not saying however that I'd rather see a human kill an eat an animal than just drink its milk. I just think drinking another animals milk is less natural]

I'm sure small dairy farms treat their cows nicely. But the farms that most of us get our milk from is not a nice place at all. The conditions are sickening.

[That 30 Days tv show with the hunter and the peta people showed a dairy farm. You should watch that episode, it was pretty interesting]

I'm not trying to protect PETA. Like I said, they stand for a good cause, but they are extreme. But yeah, those are just my thoughts on all this.

wait now, i know when they 'rest' its not all peaches and cream...im not stupid i know its still not great for them. to me drinking milk is like eating meat. you dont agree and thats fine.
your missing the point though. i watched the 30 days episode your talking about, it didnt change my ways just like it didnt change your ways about milk.

im sorry though, even if it is more natural im not asking a lady to pull down her shirt and fill my glass

i dont really think anyone cares but i thought this was cool, and its proof milking a cow doesnt hurt them, when my great grandma was younger they lived on a farm and her job was to milk the cows and when she did this one cow fell asleep every time she milked it. now i think if it hurt the cow, it would have been kicking and not going to sleep.

Veggie Eater · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 6:52 pm

Haha okay I'm done 'debating' about this. I said what I wanted to say and I think it's time to stop.

I don't think it's natural or humane, and you guys think it's fine.

I'm okay with that.

Ranging God · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 7:14 pm

This is why we need PETA

WARNING GRAPHIC

http://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3362

jointntoday · **Posted:** October 16th, 2008, 7:17 pm

Ranging God wrote:

This is why we need PETA

WARNING GRAPHIC

http://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3362

and what did peta do about that...?
i didnt see them out there doing anything.